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T-1000 · 04-10-2005, 11:18 AM

Pretty simple, Sauron (with the Ring) gets transplanted from the Tolkienverse to the Warhammer Fantasy world, along with all of Mordor and all his armies (including the Ring Wraiths).

How well does he do?

LibrarianThorne · 04-10-2005, 11:24 AM

Well, I wouldn't bet heavily on the Empire or Bretonnia being able to stop him. If this is pre_War of the Beard/War of Vengeance, the High Elf/Dwarf alliance slaughters him so horrendously hardcore. Post that war, an alliance of Empire and Dwarfs could likely stop him. Slaan would out magic him so tremendously it's silly, not to mention what a horde of Chaos would do to him...

Rabid Trekkie · 04-10-2005, 11:24 AM

Is this the universe with the insane space marines and other weird stuff? If so Sauron needs some new ground troops and fast.

T-1000 · 04-10-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabid Trekkie

Is this the universe with the insane space marines and other weird stuff? If so Sauron needs some new ground troops and fast.

No, that's Warhammer 40K. The Warhammer Fantasy world is designed by the same people, but is a very different setting.

Anthony Johanson · 04-10-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabid Trekkie

Is this the universe with the insane space marines and other weird stuff? If so Sauron needs some new ground troops and fast.

No, its the one in the past, but I doubt Sauron could survive getting blasted by the magics of the warhammer world, or at least the forces of chaos.

LibrarianThorne · 04-10-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Wateva

No, its the one in the past, but I doubt Sauron could survive getting blasted by the magics of the warhammer world, or at least the forces of chaos.

Warhammer Fantasy is not the past of Warhammer 40,000. Warhammer 40,000 is *our* universe in the 41st millenium, the Warhammer World of Warhammer Fantasy is a separate world/universe.

And I agree, Chaos is the deciding factor here. Sauron's evil is *nothing* compared to these guys. Tzeentch makes Sauron look like a schoolyard bully trying to fight the Joker.

Anthony Johanson · 04-10-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LibrarianThorne

Warhammer Fantasy is not the past of Warhammer 40,000. Warhammer 40,000 is *our* universe in the 41st millenium, the Warhammer World of Warhammer Fantasy is a separate world/universe.

And I agree, Chaos is the deciding factor here. Sauron's evil is *nothing* compared to these guys. Tzeentch makes Sauron look like a schoolyard bully trying to fight the Joker.

I meant by the past is what you just said.

Jagatai_Khan · 04-10-2005, 04:37 PM

Sauron could manage to carve himself out a little Empire somewhere, I think. Other warlords, wizards, and generals managed to do that from time to time. Granted, he probably wouldn't be such a major player in a world full of beings of similar power to himself, but he'd be noticeable.

People would probably just assume that he's another Tomb King or Vampire Count, since that's what he and his magics most closely resemble. Of course, the fact that his realm controls vast armies of Orcs and Goblins would confuse some folks.

For that matter, actually, I think the TK and VCs would be his best bet for allies, given that they're of similar mind.

Jagatai_Khan · 04-10-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LibrarianThorne

Warhammer Fantasy is not the past of Warhammer 40,000. Warhammer 40,000 is *our* universe in the 41st millenium, the Warhammer World of Warhammer Fantasy is a separate world/universe.

And I agree, Chaos is the deciding factor here. Sauron's evil is *nothing* compared to these guys. Tzeentch makes Sauron look like a schoolyard bully trying to fight the Joker.

What, are we going to plant Mordor in the middle of the Chaos wastes, between the Empire and the north?

I don't see how Chaos's evil is so much worse than Sauron. He wants to conquer the whole mortal world and visit untold oppression and suffering and terror upon them. The Chaos Gods.... want to conquer the mortal world and visit untold oppression and suffering upon them.

Not seeing a huge difference, other than the fact that the Chaos gods are also insane and far less well-organized that Sauron, especially now that Archaon is dead at the hands of Valten and Karl Franz.

Grazzt · 04-10-2005, 04:55 PM

Something that should be noted is that Sauron is not too proud to serve. He may operate under a more powerful warlord (as a vassal) for a bit, so that he can bring his magicks up to the Warhammer level.

Mole_mans_revenge · 04-10-2005, 05:02 PM

he would prolly get impaled on a bolt thrower lol.

i believe as others have said, that he would be defeated by the awsome magics of the fantasy universe.

T-1000 · 04-10-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LibrarianThorne

Well, I wouldn't bet heavily on the Empire or Bretonnia being able to stop him. If this is pre_War of the Beard/War of Vengeance, the High Elf/Dwarf alliance slaughters him so horrendously hardcore. Post that war, an alliance of Empire and Dwarfs could likely stop him. Slaan would out magic him so tremendously it's silly, not to mention what a horde of Chaos would do to him...

Aye, but what happens when someone like Gotrak goes up against the Witch King!

Anthony Johanson · 04-10-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagatai_Khan

What, are we going to plant Mordor in the middle of the Chaos wastes, between the Empire and the north?

I don't see how Chaos's evil is so much worse than Sauron. He wants to conquer the whole mortal world and visit untold oppression and suffering and terror upon them. The Chaos Gods.... want to conquer the mortal world and visit untold oppression and suffering upon them.

Not seeing a huge difference, other than the fact that the Chaos gods are also insane and far less well-organized that Sauron, especially now that Archaon is dead at the hands of Valten and Karl Franz.

Well, T-1000 didn't explain where Sauron was, but either way, he gets pwnd.

The Chaos Gods are different than Sauron, Khorne is maybe identical to him, but the others are different, Nurgle wants to disease the Warhammer World, while Tzeentch wants the people to die in a mutation of change, and Slannesh wants the people to die in a perversion of self-indulgence and joy. They all think differently.

If the Chaos forces know that there is a threat, they will band together (at least for the moment) to repel the threat and if Sauron thinks he can destroy them, he is going to get owned bad. Although Chaos's lack of missile would hinder them a bit, with their magics (think green flame, violet flame, pestilence, etc.) Sauron gets whupped.

Archeaon would have won if Grimgor had not butted in, damn him.

Jagatai_Khan · 04-10-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mole_mans_revenge

i believe as others have said, that he would be defeated by the awsome magics of the fantasy universe.

Nobody here has yet to show *how* Sauron would get pwned. Furthermore, he's got some awesome magic of his own. It's not like he's just a mortal in black armor. He's a creature of living flame, a Maiar. Sauron is, for all intents and purposes, a Greater Daemon/Daemon Prince. Which is inferior to the Chaos Gods, true. But it's not so little that he would just get rolled over.

Jagatai_Khan · 04-10-2005, 08:36 PM

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The Chaos Gods are different than Sauron, Khorne is maybe identical to him, but the others are different, Nurgle wants to disease the Warhammer World, while Tzeentch wants the people to die in a mutation of change, and Slannesh wants the people to die in a perversion of self-indulgence and joy. They all think differently.

If the Chaos forces know that there is a threat, they will band together (at least for the moment) to repel the threat and if Sauron thinks he can destroy them, he is going to get owned bad. Although Chaos's lack of missile would hinder them a bit, with their magics (think green flame, violet flame, pestilence, etc.) Sauron gets whupped.

Once again, you guys are ignoring several things:

1) Sauron *also* has some pretty powerful magic, as do his leutenients. Black Breath, anyone? Morgul Blades? The Storm of Ash?

2) Sauron isn't stupid. He knows how to bide his time, he knows how to play dumb and play weak, and he isn't too proud to serve or to follow a power greater than himself. He followed Morgoth, after all.

The perfect strategy for Sauron: Say hello to Sauron, new Champion of Chaos , Lord of the End Times, Daemon Prince of Chaos United.

In Sauron's mind, if ruling the world means having none except for the 4 powers of Chaos above him, then he'd be willing to live with that.

04-10-2005, 11:18 AM	#1
T-1000 The Anti-Flag Join Date: May 2004 Location: Blood Gulch Outpost #1 Posts: 2,489	Sauron in the Warhammer Fantasy world Pretty simple, Sauron (with the Ring) gets transplanted from the Tolkienverse to the Warhammer Fantasy world, along with all of Mordor and all his armies (including the Ring Wraiths). How well does he do? __________________ In my life, I might go to two people for advice. One will tell me that he is a wise man, and the other will tell me that he is an idiot. I'll go with the idiot's advice; odds are he's on to something that the wise man hasn't figured out yet. FF.net Profile

04-10-2005, 11:24 AM	#3
Rabid Trekkie Texan Barbarian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pasadena, Tx Posts: 4,663	Is this the universe with the insane space marines and other weird stuff? If so Sauron needs some new ground troops and fast. __________________ Memories from my Grandpa Newly Updated Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. I'm not going out of my way looking for devils; but I wouldn't step out of my path to let one go by. Free my hands and I'll varnish this floor with your brains!

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Grazzt Swing your razor wide. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Waterloo, Ontario Posts: 10,797	Something that should be noted is that Sauron is not too proud to serve. He may operate under a more powerful warlord (as a vassal) for a bit, so that he can bring his magicks up to the Warhammer level. __________________ Lemon curry? "Well, when you have that many monkeys, anything is possible." -Jan Jansen "The wages of sin are death, but the hours are good and the perks are fantastic."

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04-10-2005, 04:37 PM	#8
Jagatai_Khan Tin Face. Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,612	Sauron could manage to carve himself out a little Empire somewhere, I think. Other warlords, wizards, and generals managed to do that from time to time. Granted, he probably wouldn't be such a major player in a world full of beings of similar power to himself, but he'd be noticeable. People would probably just assume that he's another Tomb King or Vampire Count, since that's what he and his magics most closely resemble. Of course, the fact that his realm controls vast armies of Orcs and Goblins would confuse some folks. For that matter, actually, I think the TK and VCs would be his best bet for allies, given that they're of similar mind.

04-10-2005, 05:02 PM	#11
Mole_mans_revenge ooooooooh yeah.... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under your toilet... Posts: 685	he would prolly get impaled on a bolt thrower lol. i believe as others have said, that he would be defeated by the awsome magics of the fantasy universe.