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Slade · 03-14-2005, 08:15 PM

Since my Endless vs Celestials post seemed to be a mismatch, how do the Endless do against the embodiment of the universe?

Andross · 03-14-2005, 09:14 PM

I'd still go for the Endless. Even if the others were incapable of winning, Death would still win in the end. For when there is nothing left in the universe, Death will still be there to close the door and to turn off the lights for all eternity.

hathead · 03-14-2005, 09:39 PM

I second that. But then again I have a very low opinion on Marvel's cosmics, considering that they have been used to job to everyone lately. The only fight imo I saw Eternity win is against Dormannu(sp?), while losing to the Infinities, IG Thanos, Genis, 6 cosmic cubes, etc... Also the cosmics have been anthro-morphied to the extent that they lost the since of mystery and granduer and more in line of showing human feelings. I don't understand how Eternity, a person with cosmic awareness, would ask Warlock for advice.

That's my two cents.

Andross · 03-14-2005, 09:53 PM

Well I was being a bit overdramatic with a line Death once used.

Death:
"When the first living thing existed, I was there, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job will be finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave."

And yeah cosmics do tend to job a bit, but so do cosmic objects such as novas, black holes, planets, galaxies, stars, and so on tend to do.

I still got to give this to the Endless though, since it is a six on one situation, but Eternity wouldn't go down without a fight.

CDTM · 03-14-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andross

Well I was being a bit overdramatic with a line Death once used.

Death:
"When the first living thing existed, I was there, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job will be finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave."

And yeah cosmics do tend to job a bit, but so do cosmic objects such as novas, black holes, planets, galaxies, stars, and so on tend to do.

I still got to give this to the Endless though, since it is a six on one situation, but Eternity wouldn't go down without a fight.

Wouldn't the Endless just be an aspect of Eternity and his multiverses?

I thought the only beings above him were Living Tribunal and the Infinity Being.

Tommy · 03-14-2005, 10:15 PM

Don't the Endless function like the conceptual beings in Marvel? Misstress Love and so on? If so they get creamed.

Andross · 03-14-2005, 10:46 PM

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Wouldn't the Endless just be an aspect of Eternity and his multiverses?

No, well they might be if they were from Marvel, but I am not really sure on all of that. Also Eternity is the emobiment of a universe, not the emobiment of a mulitverse. The Eternity that we most often see is the one in the Marvel 616 universe, but there are others in the Marvel Multiverse.

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I thought the only beings above him were Living Tribunal and the Infinity Being.

In Marvel Comics, Infinity, Death, and Oblivion are his equals and the Living Tribunal is above him. Entropy and Epiphany are also powerful abstracts but it is likely that they might be a bit weaker, even though Entorpy did destroy Eternity and took his place as the new Eternity. It also seems that cosmic relics such as the combined might of the Infinity Gems, Cosmic Cubes, and among other things can subdue or defeat Eternity.

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Don't the Endless function like the conceptual beings in Marvel? Misstress Love and so on? If so they get creamed.

The Endless are not from the Marvel Universe, they are from the DC/Vertigo Universe. They are aspects of different functions within the universe, such as Death, Dream, Destruction, ect.

I do think that Eternity is more powerful than any member of the Endless, but with their combined teamwork I have a feeling that they could be able to defeat him, and this is something that has happened on several occasions anyway, so it isn't like this would be a lost caused for the Endless.

Tommy · 03-14-2005, 10:50 PM

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No, well they might be if they were from Marvel, but I am not really sure on all of that.

DC has only one Universe which is the major difference between it and Marvel. Eternity would pretty much be the top dog in DC.

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The Endless are not from the Marvel Universe, they are from the DC/Vertigo Universe. They are aspects of different functions within the universe, such as Death, Dream, Destruction, ect.

Just like Mistress Love, Sire Hate and the other concpet beings in Marvel...

CDTM · 03-14-2005, 10:53 PM

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DC has only one Universe which is the major difference between it and Marvel. Eternity would pretty much be the top dog in DC.

Just like Mistress Love, Sire Hate and the other concpet beings in Marvel...

That was all retconned by Hypertime.

Tommy · 03-14-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CDTM

That was all retconned by Hypertime.

The retroconned the Crisis?

XPac · 03-14-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmaFrost

DC has only one Universe which is the major difference between it and Marvel. Eternity would pretty much be the top dog in DC.

Just like Mistress Love, Sire Hate and the other concpet beings in Marvel...

Well, the Crime Syndicate seemed to come from a parallel DCU earth. So at least there was one alternate universe in DC. Or at least there was till Krona got his hands on it.

CDTM · 03-14-2005, 11:08 PM

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The retroconned the Crisis?

In a manner of speaking. Basically, Hypertime is an endless parade of DCU's where Pre Crisis era never ended, or something... It was officially recognized in the sequal to Kingdom Come, where two different Supermen, Batmen, and Wonderwomen fight Gog in The Kingdom, and it's an acting retcon on how Pre Crisis Superboy could've appeared in Zero Hour since the Pocket Universe was destroyed, and that Superboy was dead regardless...

That also makes Parallax universal feat even more impressive, considering it pretty much retcons that he only reconstructed a single universe.

Andross · 03-14-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmaFrost

DC has only one Universe which is the major difference between it and Marvel. Eternity would pretty much be the top dog in DC.

Just like Mistress Love, Sire Hate and the other concpet beings in Marvel...

There are multiple universes in DC now, and Superman even has fought a Pre-Crisis version of Superboy in one scenario. Also Lucifer created a multiverse to rule on his own to oppose the will of his father the Presence.

Love and Hate are conceptual aspects in the Marvel Universe, but they haven't really been shown to display complete utter control like the Endless have. The Endless pretty much do whatever they want, unless it involves Lucifer then their plans might change, but other than that they have been seen as an extreme force to reckon with.

Below is profile on the Endless, and gives a pretty good detail of them. I am not saying that they would bitchsmack Eternity around, but I think that they could give him a decent fight, and should win if they display their powers correctly.

http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=endless

Now I know that you don't have to kill you member to win a match, but I just thought that I would bring up the fact that it is impossible to kill DC's Death. For if she dies, she just meets herself.

NeoSapien · 03-14-2005, 11:53 PM

Eternity is the eldest of Marvel's seven conceptual beings that encompass... stuff. As the Endless are a group of seven beings/concepts starting with the letter one earlier than E in the alphabet, D, Marvel's Friendless (thank you PAD :rolleyes: ) are a group of seven beings/concepts starting with the letter one earlier than F in the alphabet, E. They are Empathy, Enmity, Entropy, Epiphany, Eternity, Eulogy, and Expediency. So Eternity is sort of equivalent to Destiny, except he is the father figure while Destiny is merely an older brother. Destiny's book represents the universe in much the same way as Eternity. Therefore Destiny and Eternity will stalemate each other, leaving the other six Endless to break the tie easily.

CDTM · 03-15-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NeoSapien

Eternity is the eldest of Marvel's seven conceptual beings that encompass... stuff. As the Endless are a group of seven beings/concepts starting with the letter one earlier than E in the alphabet, D, Marvel's Friendless (thank you PAD :rolleyes: ) are a group of seven beings/concepts starting with the letter one earlier than F in the alphabet, E. They are Empathy, Enmity, Entropy, Epiphany, Eternity, Eulogy, and Expediency. So Eternity is sort of equivalent to Destiny, except he is the father figure while Destiny is merely an older brother. Destiny's book represents the universe in much the same way as Eternity. Therefore Destiny and Eternity will stalemate each other, leaving the other six Endless to break the tie easily.

This is stuff you don't usually hear a lot about on comic message boards. Everyone just usually parrots the old "Marvel Gods are better then DC Gods" lines. :rolleyes:

03-14-2005, 08:15 PM	#1
Slade Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 699	The Endless vs Eternity Since my Endless vs Celestials post seemed to be a mismatch, how do the Endless do against the embodiment of the universe?

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03-14-2005, 09:14 PM	#2
Andross Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 467	I'd still go for the Endless. Even if the others were incapable of winning, Death would still win in the end. For when there is nothing left in the universe, Death will still be there to close the door and to turn off the lights for all eternity.

03-14-2005, 09:39 PM	#3
hathead BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 873	I second that. But then again I have a very low opinion on Marvel's cosmics, considering that they have been used to job to everyone lately. The only fight imo I saw Eternity win is against Dormannu(sp?), while losing to the Infinities, IG Thanos, Genis, 6 cosmic cubes, etc... Also the cosmics have been anthro-morphied to the extent that they lost the since of mystery and granduer and more in line of showing human feelings. I don't understand how Eternity, a person with cosmic awareness, would ask Warlock for advice. That's my two cents.

03-14-2005, 09:53 PM	#4
Andross Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 467	Well I was being a bit overdramatic with a line Death once used. Death: "When the first living thing existed, I was there, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job will be finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave." And yeah cosmics do tend to job a bit, but so do cosmic objects such as novas, black holes, planets, galaxies, stars, and so on tend to do. I still got to give this to the Endless though, since it is a six on one situation, but Eternity wouldn't go down without a fight.

03-14-2005, 10:15 PM	#6
Tommy Is an old woman. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 19,492	Don't the Endless function like the conceptual beings in Marvel? Misstress Love and so on? If so they get creamed.

03-14-2005, 11:53 PM	#14
NeoSapien Popsamehadicle Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,207	Eternity is the eldest of Marvel's seven conceptual beings that encompass... stuff. As the Endless are a group of seven beings/concepts starting with the letter one earlier than E in the alphabet, D, Marvel's Friendless (thank you PAD :rolleyes: ) are a group of seven beings/concepts starting with the letter one earlier than F in the alphabet, E. They are Empathy, Enmity, Entropy, Epiphany, Eternity, Eulogy, and Expediency. So Eternity is sort of equivalent to Destiny, except he is the father figure while Destiny is merely an older brother. Destiny's book represents the universe in much the same way as Eternity. Therefore Destiny and Eternity will stalemate each other, leaving the other six Endless to break the tie easily.