Are Psychics Too Powerful For Comics

[336Deadpool616]

I posted this here because the x universe have most of the psychics in marvel and i was just wondering do ya'll think psychics are to powerful maybe they killed jean grey because she was too powerful i mean she could take out most of the villians without the x men help so could emma frost rachel grey i think some people just dont understand just how powerful they are they can just go in your mind and shut it down but it seems that writers just have them using thier tk power

what i think is they should do is give each of them thier own field like

karma strong suit is mind control and psylocke with psionic energy
what do yall think

[Joe Acro]

Originally Posted by 336Deadpool616

I posted this here because the x universe have most of the psychics in marvel and i was just wondering do ya'll think psychics are to powerful maybe they killed jean grey because she was too powerful i mean she could take out most of the villians without the x men help so could emma frost rachel grey i think some people just dont understand just how powerful they are they can just go in your mind and shut it down but it seems that writers just have them using thier tk power

Whoa whoa whoa. Slow down.

Okay, the X-Books have the most psychics. That's a fair statement.

I do not think they are too powerful. Some of the greatest psychics in the Marvel universe aren't even mutants.

I doubt killing Jean was due to her power level.

I'm not sure how much potential Emma has for taking down large numbers of villains by her lonesome. I know Rachel can, but that's largely using her telekinesis.

Psychics could go into people's heads and shut them down, but they have ethics. Well, the heroic ones do, anyway.

[Silver Fox]

I always thought it'd be neat to have an assassin who used their telepathic powers to give people strokes/heartattacks. They would be able to attack without being noticed (granted their TK powers weren't all glowy) and most of the time no one would even know it was murder. Sorry, little off-topic there.

I don't believe Psychics are to powerful since there are devices that can disrupt telepathy and it also takes a lot of concentration to even use said powers. There are ways around it, to combat it, so I don't believe it's over-powered.

I do like it when the telepaths/telekinetics are specialized (i.e. Karma with mind-control) since their powers are supposed to be difficult to manage. It would make sense to narrow down what they can and can't do.

[cgar]

the mutants lost most of there telepaths or powerful ones at least. Cable lost it, Jeans dead, Racheal in space for who knows how long, betsy is tk only now, moonstar depowered i think she had some, shadow king dead

we only got emma and professor xavier
dont know about the bad guys though

[DeniseXfrost]

Originally Posted by Silver Fox

I don't believe Psychics are to powerful since there are devices that can disrupt telepathy

which everyone and their mother has a least one.

[Bingo!]

Psychics are essential for psi-plane extra-marital affairs and 'nuff said extravagance.

[creaky]

Originally Posted by DeniseXfrost

which everyone and their mother has a least one.

I found one on sale yesterday at K-Mart.

[Tobias March]

I don't think they're too powerful. They're definitely too derivative though. Each psychic should have a different application of their power, almost like a personality and let that be it. Psylocke and Emma can now do everything Jean could do - or it seems that way, even though Betsy under Claremont became more active in her use of her abilities; and Emma was more one for suggestion than overwhelming someone psychically.

I think Karma is an excellent example, as her powers are quite different. That should be explored more. Also see Danielle Moonstar.

[nikbackm]

Originally Posted by creaky

I found one on sale yesterday at K-Mart.

I have heard that a tinfoil hat gives enough protection.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Originally Posted by Silver Fox

I always thought it'd be neat to have an assassin who used their telepathic powers to give people strokes/heartattacks.

There was this guy (I think his name was Psi-fire) in Rob Liefeld's Young Bood #1 (the very first Image book ever published) who had mental powers and was a government assassin. In the book, even though he could have killed from a distance, he did it up close and in person. I never read past issue #3 and I don't remember him featured very much. He was kind of a punk.

Originally Posted by nikbackm

I have heard that a tinfoil hat gives enough protection.

Ahhh- so that's how Magneto's helmet works in the movies! What a punk for not sharing that info with everyone else- especially Mystique!

[336Deadpool616]

Originally Posted by Tobias March

I don't think they're too powerful. They're definitely too derivative though. Each psychic should have a different application of their power, almost like a personality and let that be it. Psylocke and Emma can now do everything Jean could do - or it seems that way, even though Betsy under Claremont became more active in her use of her abilities; and Emma was more one for suggestion than overwhelming someone psychically.

I think Karma is an excellent example, as her powers are quite different. That should be explored more. Also see Danielle Moonstar.

well thats what i was talking about i think they make them to powerful they should all have at least sum difference between each other it seems all of them except karma and moon stone are grade a psychics

i always thought psylocke should be of a telekinetic since she's a ninja now telepaths shouldnt get thier hands dirty

also its kind of crazy that telepathic disrupter is strong enough to stop them i mean back in the phoenix saga jean easily destroyed one made by beast and he's one of the smartest characters in marvel

[nikbackm]

Originally Posted by 336Deadpool616

also its kind of crazy that telepathic disrupter is strong enough to stop them i mean back in the phoenix saga jean easily destroyed one made by beast and he's one of the smartest characters in marvel

That's one of Phoenix' shticks. There IS no adequate psychic shield or disruptor to protect against it.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Originally Posted by Joe Acro

Whoa whoa whoa. Slow down.

Okay, the X-Books have the most psychics. That's a fair statement.

I do not think they are too powerful. Some of the greatest psychics in the Marvel universe aren't even mutants.

I doubt killing Jean was due to her power level.

I'm not sure how much potential Emma has for taking down large numbers of villains by her lonesome. I know Rachel can, but that's largely using her telekinesis.

Psychics could go into people's heads and shut them down, but they have ethics. Well, the heroic ones do, anyway.

During Morrison 2000 run on New X-Men Emma took out an entire group of news casters from various papers and networks as well as protesters. Jean mentioned that shed have to remove the last five minutes from the same group of reporters memory after a shouting match between Emma and some lady. While not exactly villains, I can't see why Emma or Jean or any other telepath of the first order couldn't simple take out a group of villains who don't consist of powerful telepaths or have hive minds. I mean in all honestly I don't see Spidermans rogue gallery putting up much of a fight against an bloodlusted Emma or Jean. Heck even if they weren't bloodlusted.

To most degrees it would have been better if Marvel broke down psionics into different disciplines and restraint writers from going beyond those disciplines. Telepathy is one discipline within and of itself and can be very diverse, but telekinesis would have fallen under Psychokinesis which also has various uses and can even be broken down into sub disciplines based on elements like fire, ice, electricity, sonic, ect ect ect.. the potential is still endless but is more focused and prevents Phoenix type characters who apparently do anything and everything and quickly become killing fodder because no one wants to write god characters unless they are named Thor.

Back to telepathy since I believe thats what the OP is leaning towards in his opening statement. Yes I do believe telepaths are way to powerful in the marvel universe, specifically on marvel earth since the majority of people there don't have knowledge of telepathy, how to counter it, or any innate resistance to it. A telepath's mind is on of at least in marvel terms so advanced its ridiculous to believe that a normal person train or focus to the point they can resist 2nd or 1st order telepaths. It would be like a normal man training to become strong enough to resist a punch from the hulk, or taking a thor enhanced lightning bolt and trying to just shrug it off like it didn't happen. Using technology again isn't all that logical an answer as its silly to see organizations produce machines that counter act or give telepathic powers but yet the base human mind can still out preform (in terms of memory and complexity) any computer. So you have a technological contraption best say Emma or god forbid Xavier at his peek when it comes to telepathic powers is just poor writing.

A few reasons why Telepaths are so much more deadly than other power types.

Do not require line of sight. Xavier could kill half the planet in the span of a few seconds without ever living his house. With Cerebra theoretically the whole world save for the people who might have the power to resist it, and again with Cerebra I think that would be maybe 1 or 2 people (This does not include mythical gods or other creatures who are entirely magical since they may or may not be bound by similar constraints when it comes to how the mind works.)

Almost untraceable, the local, state and possibly most of the federal government branches don't have access to any technology or individuals who could possibly figure out who killed who using some kind of telepathic attack.

Not a whole lot of opposition. Where energy blasting powers and super strength will normally come up against targets who can resist them fairly often, mental attacks rarely do.

Telepathy allows for victories without necessarily having violent battles. The fights could span a few seconds or hours since it is all just mental anyway.

[336Deadpool616]

Originally Posted by Kage Kisaragi

During Morrison 2000 run on New X-Men Emma took out an entire group of news casters from various papers and networks as well as protesters. Jean mentioned that shed have to remove the last five minutes from the same group of reporters memory after a shouting match between Emma and some lady. While not exactly villains, I can't see why Emma or Jean or any other telepath of the first order couldn't simple take out a group of villains who don't consist of powerful telepaths or have hive minds. I mean in all honestly I don't see Spidermans rogue gallery putting up much of a fight against an bloodlusted Emma or Jean. Heck even if they weren't bloodlusted.

To most degrees it would have been better if Marvel broke down psionics into different disciplines and restraint writers from going beyond those disciplines. Telepathy is one discipline with end and of itself and can be very diverse, but telekinesis would have fallen under Psychokinesis which also has various uses and can even be broken down into sub disciplines based on elements like fire, ice, electricity, sonic, ect ect ect.. the potential is still endless but is more focused and prevents Phoenix type characters who apparently do anything and everything and quickly become killing fodder because no one wants to write god characters unless they are named Thor.

Back to telepathy since I believe thats what the OP is leaning towards in his opening statement. Yes I do believe telepaths are way to powerful in the marvel universe, specifically on marvel earth since the majority of people there don't have knowledge of telepathy, how to counter it, or any innate resistance to it. A telepath's mind is on of at least in marvel terms so advanced its ridiculous to believe that a normal person train or focus to the point they can resist 2nd or 1st order telepaths. It would be like a normal man training to become strong enough to resist a punch from the hulk, or taking a thor enhanced lightning bolt and trying to just shrug it off like it didn't happen. Using technology again isn't all that logical an answer as its silly to see organizations produce machines that counter act or give telepathic powers but yet the base human mind can still out preform (in terms of memory and complexity) any computer. So you have a technological contraption best say Emma or god forbid Xavier at his peek when it comes to telepathic powers is just poor writing.

A few reasons why Telepaths are so much more deadly than other power types.

Do not require line of sight. Xavier could kill half the planet in the span of a few seconds without ever living his house. With Cerebra theoretically the whole world save for the people who might have the power to resist it, and again with Cerebra I think that would be maybe 1 or 2 people (This does not include mythical gods or other creatures who are entirely magical since they may or may not be bound by similar constraints when it comes to how the mind works.)

Almost untraceable, the local, state and possibly most of the federal government branches don't have access to any technology or individuals who could possibly figure out who killed who using some kind of telepathic attack.

Not a whole lot of opposition. Where energy blasting powers and super strength will normally come up against targets who can resist them fairly often, mental attacks rarely do.

Telepathy allows for victories without necessarily having violent battles. The fights could span a few seconds or hours since it is all just mental anyway.

thank you kage kisaragi you seem to be the only person so far to realize what psychics are capable of thiers no need for an confrontation with the villian or anything if your that powerful you can hit them without them even realizing it
the whole argument of it takes alot of concentration and practice is true but c'mon xavier jean grey emma frost had these powers for years they dont anymore training if you ask me

i just think that the writers made all of the psychics too powerful when it should be just xavier and jean grey

[nikbackm]

Originally Posted by 336Deadpool616

i just think that the writers made all of the psychics too powerful when it should be just xavier and jean grey

Why Xavier and Jean Grey in particular? Ok, Jean has the Phoenix Force so that is understandable, but Xavier does not have that as an explanation.