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Old 03-20-2008, 01:14 PM   #1
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Default comic store owner weighing in

Granted, I am probably the worst comic store owner in the world, but here's what I know:

Diamond is giving away free copies of ASM #546. I'm not sure why, but it looks like an even match: if you buy 8 copies of ASM anything, you get 8 more of ASM#546. I can think of a few reasons to do this: free comics boost sales. More copies of #546 floating out there increases possible chance of interest from "new readers" which ASM is now aimed at. Last reason: getting rid of a HUGE excess of inventory. Only Marvel & DIamond really know for sure.

Yes, you can adjust orders up to 3 weeks in advance, and you can see a reduction of over 10,000 units in sales from issue 549 to 550. That's just clearly comic stores going online and reducing their orders, but even that won't be entirely accurate. The sales figures to actual customers will be significantly lower, possibly up to 10,000 less than that, or around 80,000. The reason you're not seeing a sharper decline per issue is the thrice monthly schedule, not the story arc. If every store has two or three copies of an issue sitting on the shelves after one week, they still won't be able to reduce their orders for up to the next three issues, since ASM would be releasing that week, the next, and again two weeks after that, none of which would be able to be reduced. The drop of 10,000 was because, in January, comic stores saw a bunch of comics still sitting and reduced what they could, which was 550 (it was too late to reduce 549).

Also, ASM has ALWAYS been a steady backissue seller, so few stores really panic if they have an extra ASM or three lying around. It is the most likely title to sell to a random kid coming into a store with his parents for the first time. Stores are slower to reduce the number of copies of ASM (than for Iron Fist, for example), so when they do (and by so much), it's because there are a LOT of unsold issues.

I would say, looking at historical figures, that selling less than 90,000 copies of the Amazing Spider-man after a huge retcon event and massive media hype to boost the book would constitute a failure of colossal proportions. They threw every creative team they could rally at this thing, hyped it everywhere they could to anyone who would listen, and tripled output on the book. Well, sales are declining anyway, despite their best efforts, and Marvel has nothing to show for it but thousands of unwavering, pissed off fans.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:15 PM   #2
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Default extra sales?

You guys all know, of course, that the sales figures for ASM #546 were artificially boosted, right?

Marvel is GIVING AWAY, even now, first printings of ASM #546. They went to a second printing prematurely, by saying they "sold out" when in reality they pre-sold the books for zero dollars.

I don't know how legal what they are doing is, since they make advertising dollars based on circulation, but why would they go to a second printing when first printings still exist in their warehouses?

Don't believe what the liars tell you. They manipulated sales figures in order to be able to claim this was a success, so that Quesada comes out a winner. There are so many unsold books out there it's ridiculous.
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:11 PM   #3
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You guys all know, of course, that the sales figures for ASM #546 were artificially boosted, right?

Marvel is GIVING AWAY, even now, first printings of ASM #546. They went to a second printing prematurely, by saying they "sold out" when in reality they pre-sold the books for zero dollars.

I don't know how legal what they are doing is, since they make advertising dollars based on circulation, but why would they go to a second printing when first printings still exist in their warehouses?

Don't believe what the liars tell you. They manipulated sales figures in order to be able to claim this was a success, so that Quesada comes out a winner. There are so many unsold books out there it's ridiculous.
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:24 PM   #4
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You guys all know, of course, that the sales figures for ASM #546 were artificially boosted, right?
How?

Diamond sold out.

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Marvel is GIVING AWAY, even now, first printings of ASM #546.
Where? On a street corner somewhere??

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They went to a second printing prematurely, by saying they "sold out" when in reality they pre-sold the books for zero dollars.
As a business that would make ZERO sense.

Marvel didn't sell out either... Diamond did.

Where did you hear this "information" anyway? Do you blog under Marbeyb0y by chance at livewire?

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I don't know how legal what they are doing is, since they make advertising dollars based on circulation, but why would they go to a second printing when first printings still exist in their warehouses?
Marvel doesn't have warehouses . The books get printed at places like Quebecor and then shipped to Diamond warehouses where the orders are broken up and shipped to stores.

Where are you GETTING this?????? It's hilarious! :D

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Don't believe what the liars tell you.
Yes... says the guy with just 28 posts. I bet you have a lot more knowledge and inside information than those dastardly folks at Marvel.
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:36 PM   #5
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He owns a comic book store. He already posted a lengthly post somewhere explaining his information.

By the way, I hate it when somebody uses post counts as a way to verify whether someone is full of shit or not.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:33 PM   #6
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Yes... says the guy with just 28 posts. I bet you have a lot more knowledge and inside information than those dastardly folks at Marvel.
You do yourself no favours picking on post counts. What age are you?
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You do yourself no favours picking on post counts. What age are you?
I'm 33. You?

And I pick on post counts because if you look at his posting history it's pretty much a slam on OMD. Usually that means someone is back with a new name after a ban or some such. Not always of course but I've seen it happen often enough that it's suspicious.
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Old 03-21-2008, 11:03 PM   #8
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He owns a comic book store. He already posted a lengthly post somewhere explaining his information.
I'm not saying he's lying... but it's online and thus to be taken with a grain of salt.

I could tell you I had lunch with Charleze Theron. Would you believe me?

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By the way, I hate it when somebody uses post counts as a way to verify whether someone is full of shit or not.
That's OK... I hate it when people point out that they hate people who use post counts as a way to verify whether someone is full of shit or not. Looks like we're both not happy.
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Old 03-21-2008, 11:20 PM   #9
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How?

Diamond sold out.


Where? On a street corner somewhere??


As a business that would make ZERO sense.

Marvel didn't sell out either... Diamond did.

Where did you hear this "information" anyway? Do you blog under Marbeyb0y by chance at livewire?


Marvel doesn't have warehouses . The books get printed at places like Quebecor and then shipped to Diamond warehouses where the orders are broken up and shipped to stores.

Where are you GETTING this?????? It's hilarious! :D


Yes... says the guy with just 28 posts. I bet you have a lot more knowledge and inside information than those dastardly folks at Marvel.
Dude says he's shop owner, albeit an admittedly bad shop owner.

I like the stories, but the Graham Crackers (biggest chain in the Chicago area) still have tons left over even after their $1 sale last weekend.
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Since when did we ever took the complaints of The comic book guy
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I'd like to think an actual business man would be able to keep the fanboy inside in check when discussing his business.

We all work on stuff we don't like from time to time, but we know what's good for business is good for business.
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Old 03-22-2008, 12:35 AM   #12
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I'd like to think an actual business man would be able to keep the fanboy inside in check when discussing his business.

We all work on stuff we don't like from time to time, but we know what's good for business is good for business.
If you haven't noticed he is basically saying that BND is bad for his business. low quality/bad product is not a favor to the retailer who actually has to deal with the customers.

If it was just a business to him he would have probably picked a less risky business to start.
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Since when did we ever took the complaints of The comic book guy
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In here, we are all the Comic Book Guy. If we weren't we wouldn't post on comic book message boards.
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If you haven't noticed he is basically saying that BND is bad for his business. low quality/bad product is not a favor to the retailer who actually has to deal with the customers.

If it was just a business to him he would have probably picked a less risky business to start.
I realized that completely and said I could see where he was coming from, mentioning that the shop I frequent isn't doing so well on BND either.

I was responding to the claim that he was just an angry fanboy who owned a shop.
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