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barryallenfan · 07-07-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hush Little Batman

In my opinion, Hal Jordan was infinitely more interesting as a character/personality when he was Parallax and Barry held a special place in DC lore as the only hero who saved the universe and never returned.

Bringing both of them back ruined them, IMHO. I know that's not the popular thing to say, but whatever.

How do you know that bringing Barry back has ruined him, Why would you say that? As far as Hal coming back and being ruined, I don't think he's ever been more popular and the book is doing better than ever

Buried Alien · 07-07-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by barryallenfan

How do you know that bringing Barry back has ruined him, Why would you say that?

Out of fear, I maintain, and fear doesn't really suit approaching characters like Barry Allen and Hal Jordan, who are characters that embody hope.

These are cynical times that are afraid to hope.

But it's precisely in such times that hope is needed most.

So be brave and bold...bold enough to hope.

To paraphrase Barack Obama, hope is an audacious concept.

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Agent_Torpor · 07-07-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hush Little Batman

In my opinion, Hal Jordan was infinitely more interesting as a character/personality when he was Parallax and Barry held a special place in DC lore as the only hero who saved the universe and never returned.

Bringing both of them back ruined them, IMHO. I know that's not the popular thing to say, but whatever.

Hell, anything to relegate Kyle Rayner to the back rubbish bin of DC continuity was fine and dandy to me.

What a worthless tool of a character. Love live JORDAN!

RaulTheCat · 07-07-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buried Alien

Out of fear, I maintain, and fear doesn't really suit approaching characters like Barry Allen and Hal Jordan, who are characters that embody hope.

These are cynical times that are afraid to hope.

But it's precisely in such times that hope is needed most.

So be brave and bold...bold enough to hope.

To paraphrase Barack Obama, hope is an audacious concept.

Hey, if they bring him back and put someone like Darwryn Cooke, Grant Morrison or James Robinson on the book, I'd probably buy it. If they bring him back and it sucks, well, no sweat off my danglies either. I just won't buy it. They can kill Wally off, I really don't care, because at the end of the day, it is just lines on paper. I have a HUGE collection of Flash comics, Wally and Barry. That's the beauty of comics. I can just dig them out and read them, and not be bothered with continuity.
And I do hope if he comes back, it is done right. I'll be happy for you hardcore Barry fans, and if it is an enjoyable book, I'll be happy for me.

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Originally Posted by Agent_Turpor

Hell, anything to relegate Kyle Rayner to the back rubbish bin of DC continuity was fine and dandy to me.

What a worthless tool of a character. Love live JORDAN!

Grant Morrison did a lot of good with the character in JLA. I would daresay that the book would be different, and not for the better, without Kyle. And I agree, Jordan was an AWESOME villain.

DonEMC · 07-07-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hush Little Batman

In my opinion, Hal Jordan was infinitely more interesting as a character/personality when he was Parallax and Barry held a special place in DC lore as the only hero who saved the universe and never returned.

Bringing both of them back ruined them, IMHO. I know that's not the popular thing to say, but whatever.

Here's the catch, though: An alive Barry Allen can make DC more money than the "lore" and "legend" and "dead saint" and "martyr" Barry Allen.
See, in case you missed it, Raul, DC is a company and that usually means the people who own the company want to make money. A dead character serves no purpose -- i.e, makes no money -- like an alive character.
Especially a popular character and one that's part of a stunt, because we all know that EVERY comic event these days -- just like all the ones in the 1990s -- is a stunt.
Make no mistake about it, The Death of Superman, Knightfall AND the return of Barry Allen is a sales stunt.

RaulTheCat · 07-07-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DonEMC

Here's the catch, though: An alive Barry Allen can make DC more money than the "lore" and "legend" and "dead saint" and "martyr" Barry Allen.
See, in case you missed it, Raul, DC is a company and that usually means the people who own the company want to make money. A dead character serves no purpose -- i.e, makes no money -- like an alive character.
Especially a popular character and one that's part of a stunt, because we all know that EVERY comic event these days -- just like all the ones in the 1990s -- is a stunt.
Make no mistake about it, The Death of Superman, Knightfall AND the return of Barry Allen is a sales stunt.

Hey. Dude. Check the quote. Not me.
And I agree, that a company wants to make money. Sales stunts usually lead to a spike in sales, which is good in the short term, and bad in the long run if the company has no clue how to follow up.

Ilash · 07-07-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DonEMC

Here's the catch, though: An alive Barry Allen can make DC more money than the "lore" and "legend" and "dead saint" and "martyr" Barry Allen.
See, in case you missed it, Raul, DC is a company and that usually means the people who own the company want to make money. A dead character serves no purpose -- i.e, makes no money -- like an alive character.
Especially a popular character and one that's part of a stunt, because we all know that EVERY comic event these days -- just like all the ones in the 1990s -- is a stunt.
Make no mistake about it, The Death of Superman, Knightfall AND the return of Barry Allen is a sales stunt.

Wait so it took DC 20 YEARS to realize this?

Buried Alien · 07-07-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilash

Wait so it took DC 20 YEARS to realize this?

Probably. I think DC has been in denial about Barry Allen for years.

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barryallenfan · 07-07-2008, 07:17 PM

hey Buried check this out
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboar...d.php?t=154867
This may be a clue to what Van Sciver will be up to. Its being promoted for th San Diego Comic Con

Kevinroc · 07-07-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Buried Alien

Probably. I think DC has been in denial about Barry Allen for years.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I dunno. I question the wisdom that states that bringing back Barry will do much to appeal outside of a hardcore segment of fandom. Most people probably don't give a crap who is under the Flash mask and couldn't even tell you what the Flash's name (any of them) is.

barryallenfan · 07-07-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevinroc

I dunno. I question the wisdom that states that bringing back Barry will do much to appeal outside of a hardcore segment of fandom. Most people probably don't give a crap who is under the Flash mask and couldn't even tell you what the Flash's name (any of them) is.

Theres 35 pages in this thread. I think people care very much who is under the Red cowl. Every Flash thread turns into a Barry/Wally fight. I think they care

Kevinroc · 07-07-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by barryallenfan

Theres 35 pages in this thread. I think people care very much who is under the Red cowl. Every Flash thread turns into a Barry/Wally fight. I think they care

You're still talking about the hardcore section of fandom.

barryallenfan · 07-07-2008, 07:47 PM

you may be right. Actually most people with a busy life and a long work schedule could care less if there were no comics at all. So how do you decide between fans and hardcore fans. I just think that people who buy comics and in particular, those who buy a comic because they like the hero ala the Flash, care. Then again i could be wrong and you could be completely right, as I'm making this up as I go along

bobellis75 · 07-07-2008, 07:58 PM

Well...I like Barry and Wally both - what I don't like is how the big companies continually raise characters from the dead. However, I also understand it's a business, and Barry seems to be on the way back...so...in the end, I don't care so much who's under the mask - just get a good writer on the book. Flash is one of my all-time favorite books, and I love all the characters....just make it worth reading and I'll be there to pick up a new issue every month.

DonEMC · 07-07-2008, 08:23 PM

I can guarantee you won't see DC or Marvel killing a major hero or villain these days. Have you noticed that major and even semi-major heroes and villains DON'T DIE these days?
Back in the mid-1980s, editorial was still king. Writers could do whatever they wanted with any of the characters EXCEPT the big three. Those were the only ones who the corporate suits kept close tabs on. They kept watch over characters like the Flash and Green Lantern, but they weren't nearly as important in the greater scheme of things as Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman and Robin.
Plain and simple: The Death of Barry Allen took place during a different era.
Nowadays, the corporate bigwigs see dollar signs in EVERY character, so NO hero or villain death sticks. It doesn't matter if it's a hero who sacrificed his life to save the (fictional) DCU or not. It doesn't matter if he's considered by a few fans the patron saint of the DCU.
He's worth far more to DC as an alive and functioning hero. Flashbacks are a band-aid attempt at getting a few older readers to pick up an issue. Resurrecting a character is a big stunt that will definitely bring in a few extra readers.
As long as there is a dollar to be made, a hero or villain can -- and will -- return from the dead.
I never thought Marvel would ever resurrect Bucky, but they did and it's been pretty good so far.

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07-07-2008, 07:17 PM	#849
barryallenfan New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 97	hey Buried check this out http://www.606studios.com/bendisboar...d.php?t=154867 This may be a clue to what Van Sciver will be up to. Its being promoted for th San Diego Comic Con

07-07-2008, 07:47 PM	#853
barryallenfan New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 97	you may be right. Actually most people with a busy life and a long work schedule could care less if there were no comics at all. So how do you decide between fans and hardcore fans. I just think that people who buy comics and in particular, those who buy a comic because they like the hero ala the Flash, care. Then again i could be wrong and you could be completely right, as I'm making this up as I go along

07-07-2008, 07:58 PM	#854
bobellis75 New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 70	Well...I like Barry and Wally both - what I don't like is how the big companies continually raise characters from the dead. However, I also understand it's a business, and Barry seems to be on the way back...so...in the end, I don't care so much who's under the mask - just get a good writer on the book. Flash is one of my all-time favorite books, and I love all the characters....just make it worth reading and I'll be there to pick up a new issue every month.

07-07-2008, 08:23 PM	#855
DonEMC Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Danville, West Virginia Posts: 295	I can guarantee you won't see DC or Marvel killing a major hero or villain these days. Have you noticed that major and even semi-major heroes and villains DON'T DIE these days? Back in the mid-1980s, editorial was still king. Writers could do whatever they wanted with any of the characters EXCEPT the big three. Those were the only ones who the corporate suits kept close tabs on. They kept watch over characters like the Flash and Green Lantern, but they weren't nearly as important in the greater scheme of things as Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman and Robin. Plain and simple: The Death of Barry Allen took place during a different era. Nowadays, the corporate bigwigs see dollar signs in EVERY character, so NO hero or villain death sticks. It doesn't matter if it's a hero who sacrificed his life to save the (fictional) DCU or not. It doesn't matter if he's considered by a few fans the patron saint of the DCU. He's worth far more to DC as an alive and functioning hero. Flashbacks are a band-aid attempt at getting a few older readers to pick up an issue. Resurrecting a character is a big stunt that will definitely bring in a few extra readers. As long as there is a dollar to be made, a hero or villain can -- and will -- return from the dead. I never thought Marvel would ever resurrect Bucky, but they did and it's been pretty good so far.