Perez's Wonder woman

[West Mantooth]

Originally Posted by joshmc

^ I think that aspect needs to be reexamined for any potential future reboot.

What do think is the problem with that?

[joshmc]

Originally Posted by West Mantooth

What do think is the problem with that?

From memory the Gods didn't really do anything to stop Ares themselves, they just kinda gave the job to Diana and said 'our fate is in your hands'. At the very least, make her their only option left after they've exhausted all avenues in defeating Ares themselves.

[Mars Getsoian]

Originally Posted by joshmc

From memory the Gods didn't really do anything to stop Ares themselves, they just kinda gave the job to Diana and said 'our fate is in your hands'. At the very least, make her their only option left after they've exhausted all avenues in defeating Ares themselves.

It's implied that they have, though. Way back when they first created the amazons, that was their first effort, and they've been doing their best ever since, but they've gotten weaker and Ares hasn't. They can't influence the mortal world the way he can, anymore. And later in the series we see the utter devastation caused by war between deities, which makes it quite clear that actually going toe-to-toe with Ares would have been self-defeating - not much point in waging a war to protect humanity that will quite possibly destroy humanity as a side effect. Not to mention that such a war would only have the effect of making Ares stronger - the guy thrives on conflict, how do you beat him with more conflict? You can't. Ultimately, Diana didn't. She beat him with the Truth, something the other gods couldn't have done (either because they don't think that laterally, or because only Diana can call that kind of power out of the lasso, take your pick).

[joshmc]

If there were efforts to defeat him on their part it was as subtle as you can get.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Originally Posted by joshmc

If there were efforts to defeat him on their part it was as subtle as you can get.

I imagine each side looked at the opposition, sized their strenghts and weaknesses, evaluated the possible outcomes, calculated their potential losses and... just decided to throw WW in to do the headbusting for them.

[mswood]

Originally Posted by joshmc

My memory's a bit hazy as I haven't read it in a while but was there any reason why the Gods didn't just try and stop Ares themselves instead of putting their fate in a lone Amazon?

AS time went by the gods lost worshippers and powers, while for Ares those who worshipped war kept growing, thus his power grew.

[Wulfmir]

Originally Posted by Eliseu Gouveia

That´s mean.

Did Batman put himself on a pedestal with spotlights the day he decided he´d be Gotham´s protector?

Actually, yes. Everyone is watching from criminals to the law. He puts himself in harms way and sometimes relishes being the target of criminals reasoning "a criminal targeting him is one less targeting an innocent" or however he'll phrase it. His methods also walk the edge of being criminal itself and there are those watching for that. If he goes over, he'll be taken down.

Though you read it another way, what I intended was that Perez put Diana in such a very daunting position that though it is epic, heroic, and noble even in just the attempt would put give anyone pause.

I could actually see it; Diana, new to man's world, coming from a culture so different and lacking an understanding of the people she's suppose to teach, a myriad problems coming from all directions. Come in too high with her mission, her burden, and she'll be considered aloof and distant, the worse being inhuman. The alternative is failure and that alternative cannot come to pass, for that failure means whatever she espouse is wrong and worst man's world is hopeless.

[Flâneur]

Originally Posted by Wulfmir

Could somebody tell me about Wonder woman's origin in the George Perez run. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the specifics about it.

Originally Posted by Wulfmir

So I guess, I'll go by Hippolyta wished for a daughter and then there is Diana a gift from the gods.

Why did she left for man's world? Certainly it isn't because Steve crash landed on Paradise Island, this I got from here. Can anyone tell me?

Originally Posted by Wulfmir

Another question, why did Diana stay? It is not about Steve and most probably Ares was stopped. Did she see so many wrongs in man's world and put it among herself to change it? Did she start an embassy for Themyscira to bring forth an example for the world.

Ares is the one who gave her the mission for peace, amazingly enough. Her initial mission is to stop Ares from destroying the world with war but he's the one who commands her to save humanity from themselves.

[Wulfmir]

Appreciate the scans

[joshmc]

Originally Posted by mswood

AS time went by the gods lost worshippers and powers, while for Ares those who worshipped war kept growing, thus his power grew.

I understand, the issue I have is that there was no indication that they actually tried to battle or defeat him before turning to Diana, it just comes across a bit like them having Diana do their dirty work for no other reason than 'she's the hero of the story'.

[Phil Jimenez]

Originally Posted by joshmc

I understand, the issue I have is that there was no indication that they actually tried to battle or defeat him before turning to Diana, it just comes across a bit like them having Diana do their dirty work for no other reason than 'she's the hero of the story'.

Although, to be fair, there's only so much room/space at the end of the day, in a single comic book, let alone a reboot where the lead character has to be in the costume by the end of the issue.

Would a line of text handled your particular issue? A single image? A scene? How much space would have been required to expand an already dense backstory? Isn't it enough to say, the gods themselves couldn't do it... but she could?

And how cool is that, anyway?

[Flâneur]

Originally Posted by joshmc

I understand, the issue I have is that there was no indication that they actually tried to battle or defeat him before turning to Diana, it just comes across a bit like them having Diana do their dirty work for no other reason than 'she's the hero of the story'.

Why should they? Diana was Athena's strategem and, as always, Athena's plot foiled that of Ares.

[Atomcrush]

Originally Posted by Phil Jimenez

Although, to be fair, there's only so much room/space at the end of the day, in a single comic book, let alone a reboot where the lead character has to be in the costume by the end of the issue.

Would a line of text handled your particular issue? A single image? A scene? How much space would have been required to expand an already dense backstory? Isn't it enough to say, the gods themselves couldn't do it... but she could?

And how cool is that, anyway?

Exactly. And not only that, the point has been made (in the story and here) that conflict with Ares serves to strengthen him. Mars elaborated on this already probably far better than I could. The other gods needed to find another way of defeating him, which is where Diana comes in. It's all in the story.

[joshmc]

Originally Posted by Phil Jimenez

Although, to be fair, there's only so much room/space at the end of the day, in a single comic book, let alone a reboot where the lead character has to be in the costume by the end of the issue.

Would a line of text handled your particular issue? A single image? A scene? How much space would have been required to expand an already dense backstory? Isn't it enough to say, the gods themselves couldn't do it... but she could?

And how cool is that, anyway?

It comes across like a bit of a cop out saying she's the only one who can do it, I mean these are suppose to be divine beings after all. I get there are limitation per issue, it still need only be a line or two from one of the Gods that they've tried 'x' or 'y', just some sort of better justification for giving her the task of saving their arse other than simply the 'chosen one' reasoning as it were which is an overused plot device.

[aegisbearer]

Originally Posted by joshmc

I understand, the issue I have is that there was no indication that they actually tried to battle or defeat him before turning to Diana, it just comes across a bit like them having Diana do their dirty work for no other reason than 'she's the hero of the story'.

If you're speaking of Diana's first arc with Ares, she was destined to fight him; Athene said so to Aphrodite when her soul glistened in Gaea's womb (WW #1, vol. 2). When Diana yearned for purpose, Athene guided her to enter the Tournament, knowing her destiny would be fulfilled.

I know (for me) that I didn't need to know that the gods of Olympus had tried to defeat Ares, but I can assume they would have.

This idea of "one line more" in a comic to clarify things becomes a double-edged labrys: where do we draw the line in what is told to us and that which we assume has already transpired?

I say this with all due respect, joshmc. :)