Joss Whedon Is Closed Minded And Completely Wrong

[Xero]

Firstly, it's an old interview.

Secondly, Joss Whedon was absolutely correct.

Thirdly, he isn't attacking your favorite obsession, he is just stating a well known fact.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Freakzeek

Silver Surfer made a deal with the devil(galatcus) for power etc. and lost his homeworld because of it (he gave up something irreplaceable for something else)

When did they redo the Surfer's origin?

Why'd they get rid of the bit where Norrin Radd sacrifices himself to Galactus in order to save Shalla-Bal and Zenn-La?

[cougarbjones]

Originally Posted by SMARTASS8

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com...ing-to-the-mu/

When I read Joss Whedon's comments about DC's characters in the above link, I wanted to burn my Buffy The Vampire Slayer comics. Luckily, I don't own any since I feel Whedon hasn't written anything good since that show's first 3 seasons. I used to be a huge Marvel Zombie(until JoeyQ and most of his writers shat all over that Universe) but I still love their characters. Having said that, they are no more realistic than DC's. They were built on Stan Lee's pseudo-scientific origins(which themselves are out-of-date and/or inaccurate beyond belief) and their secret identities were given real world problems(these days DC's characters have these in spades as well). Neither of those ideas are that novel anymore. No matter how many poorly constructed analogues to the real world that JoeyQ forces on "his" Universe(Civil War, Ellis' Thunderbolts, Secret Invasion), this is a World that contains a talking duck, a giant in a metallic pink & purple dress who eats planets, and a huge bald alien in a toga who does nothing but stand motionless, spying on people.

I am so sick of hearing how "edgy" and "real" Marvel is. Just because so many of their writers are fond of having their characters stand around talking for most of the issue, every heroes' secret identity has been outed(although Spidey's is back in the closet), and their artists either love to draw the characters without costumes or at least with "cool" upgrades(Spidey and Hercules are the only characters I can think of who still have the same costumes they had 10 years ago), these are still stories about superheroes. It seems like the same people who said Superman sucks because he's too powerful loved Sentry because he had the "power of one million exploding suns". I feel this is just an excuse to not like a company's characters.

I didnt take it the way you did. I think that DC was near death until the Batman Reborn series started and The Blackest Night Series. For the longest time I didn't read one single DC comic because they were so confusing. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan but how far can you really go with Superman now? I loved Aquaman but they don't know what to do with him either. I am glad that Batman Reborn and Blackest Night are doing well and I am rooting for DC to come back strong. And we all know that Bruce Wayne will be coming back and that is something exciting to look forward to see how they do that.
But admit it, they are not even CLOSE to Marvel Comics. I feel your frustration with Whedon and I'm not a big fan of him either but what I got out of that I think he is right. DC is making a nice comeback and I am supporting them. I am buying all the new titles and enjoying them. I love Gotham City Sirens and Detective Comics-Batwoman (Awsome artwork!!) I also think they picked the right time to start the new series because they did it exactly when everyone was talking about Marvel "dragging out Dark Riegn". I love the Dark Reign series and some really amazing stuff came out because of it but I think it's at least a month overdue to end. Superman needs to be teamed with someone to be good anymore. I like the Superman/Batman comic. That works for me, but it's not as simple as it used to be. People expect much more out of comics these days and if you can't deliver, no one will buy it. Superman can't stand on his own anymmore. Marvel has been so well done that they are in place to go wherever they want. Almost any character can show up in each others book and fit in. Superman comics don't suck now because he is too powerful, they suck because the readers are more sopisticated now and won't buy into reading the same bull over and over. Personally, I think that Marvels Civil War series was the major reason that comics have made such a big comeback. They grew up because the readers grew up and want something more substantial. While Marvel opening new avenues for itself and creating more options DC stood still and almost died. They almost screwed up Batman!! It's hard to do that!! But I think all is well now and you will see a big difference in DC from here on.
I don't agree with your comment about the Marvel characters standing around and talking most of the issues. I don't see that at all. I don't like to read comic books that are too wordy and I've never thought Marvel was ever guilty of that. I think JLA was guilty for that!! Grant Morrison was so "wordy" I stopped reading it. I through "From Hell" in the fireplace! I think the perfect balance of dialogue and art make for the perfect recipe. And they hyped the "Alan Moores stories for DC universe" like it was something special. Honestly, I think Alan Moore should apologize for every story in there except 2. I get alot of heat because of my critizim of Alan Moore but I just don't get why everyone loves him so much. I loved "Watchmen". That was a special book and it deserves to be considered one of the best novels of all time. Not just graphic novels I mean ALL novels. It was amazing. But everything else I have read of his I did not like at all. Just one mans opinion. Anyway, I respect you for standing up for what you believe in. I think you took it the wrong way but maybe I am wrong and should go back and read it again. Good Luck. Have a great day.
JC

[carabas]

Originally Posted by cougarbjones

I don't agree with your comment about the Marvel characters standing around and talking most of the issues. I don't see that at all. I don't like to read comic books that are too wordy and I've never thought Marvel was ever guilty of that. I think JLA was guilty for that!! Grant Morrison was so "wordy" I stopped reading it.

Bendis (most Marvel top 10 books) pretty much invented 'superheroes just standing there and yapping away like there is no tomorrow'. And obviously you have not read any eighties X-Men where Claremont pioneered the technique, and had people burst out into full paragraphs of purple prose in the middle of combat.

I didnt take it the way you did. I think that DC was near death until the Batman Reborn series started and The Blackest Night Series.

Being the #2 comics publisher in America is hardly near death, is it?

[Jeremi]

Originally Posted by carabas

Bendis (most Marvel top 10 books) pretty much invented 'superheroes just standing there and yapping away like there is no tomorrow'. And obviously you have not read any eighties X-Men where Claremont pioneered the technique, and had people burst out into full paragraphs of purple prose in the middle of combat.

There is yapping...and then there is Bendispeak.

[Hullababy]

Originally Posted by cougarbjones

Personally, I think that Marvels Civil War series was the major reason that comics have made such a big comeback. They grew up because the readers grew up and want something more substantial.

Wait you thought Civil War was something substantial ? You just lost me there. Civil War was so substantial that Marvel is now desperately trying to fix the damages it did to the characters and return to its previous status-quo.

[jamesfreeman]

Originally Posted by Hullababy

Wait you thought Civil War was something substantial ? You just lost me there. Civil War was so substantial that Marvel is now desperately trying to fix the damages it did to the characters and return to its previous status-quo.

Not really. It's already been what, four years, and the books that spunoff of the Civil War and it's follow-ups like Mighty Avengers and Dark Avengers are selling well.

[carabas]

Originally Posted by cougarbjones

Personally, I think that Marvels Civil War series was the major reason that comics have made such a big comeback.

Wait, hang on... What big comics comeback? Comics sell about as well now in America as they did before Civil War. By which I mean that even the top 10 books (Blackest Night, NEw Avengers...) sell in almost negligible quantities. Hundred thousand copies is nothing, really.

And the comic book film thing started way before Civil War, if that is what you're getting at. And it's not as if Civil War was not just The Ultimates dumbed down (who already were The Authority dumbed down) and put into the 616 universe.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by The Batman

When did they redo the Surfer's origin?

Why'd they get rid of the bit where Norrin Radd sacrifices himself to Galactus in order to save Shalla-Bal and Zenn-La?

So, I've been poking around online and in my collection and I can't find anything that tells me when they revamped the Surfer's origin.

Does anyone know if it was a recent book? Does anybody know which one?

I'd like to read it.

[Hullababy]

Originally Posted by jamesfreeman

Not really. It's already been what, four years, and the books that spunoff of the Civil War and it's follow-ups like Mighty Avengers and Dark Avengers are selling well.

But how did Civil War substantially change anything as the poster was claiming other than launching two titles ? All it did was assassinate the character of Iron Man and now they are making the character go through hell to try make him a well respected hero again. Captain America is coming back. Thor is back. And after Siege the Avengers will probably reform.

[jamesfreeman]

Originally Posted by Hullababy

But how did Civil War substantially change anything as the poster was claiming other than launching two titles ? All it did was assassinate the character of Iron Man and now they are making the character go through hell to try make him a well respected hero again. Captain America is coming back. Thor is back. And after Siege the Avengers will probably reform.

I don't think it changed up anything. But I also don't think that Marvel is in any hurry to undo all of it either. So far, the post Civil War titles have been selling well, so I doubt they'll all be gotten rid of.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by jamesfreeman

Not really. It's already been what, four years, and the books that spunoff of the Civil War and it's follow-ups like Mighty Avengers and Dark Avengers are selling well.

Is that because of Civil War or because they've been consistently at the center of Marvel's ongoing series of events?

[Eric Davis]

i agree with Whedon, when it comes to translating character to film. - -it's apparently easier for marvel universe, part and parcel - the proof is in marvel studio success.

[jamesfreeman]

Originally Posted by The Batman

Is that because of Civil War or because they've been consistently at the center of Marvel's ongoing series of events?

Good point, but what I was getting at is that Marvel probably isn't in any hurry to cancel those titles, despite the earlier claim that they "desperately want to undo" the Civil War.

[Hullababy]

Originally Posted by jamesfreeman

Good point, but what I was getting at is that Marvel probably isn't in any hurry to cancel those titles, despite the earlier claim that they "desperately want to undo" the Civil War.

What I meant was undo the effects Civil War had on a lot of characters who are at the core of the MU. I was talking about changes caused to the Marvel Universe after Civil War, not about the titles launched.