The Nodos Vs The Latern Corps

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

There are 5 Nodos,and together they are a forced to be reckoned with.

Existence
Nothingness
Resurrection
Waves
Time

These are qualities used to describe the Nodos and in this respect it kind of tells of the powers they have.

Here'sa 4 minute video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MU3YOIp39Y

Obviously the battle is in space.

[Deus]

The Lantern Corps are a bit too much for the Nodoss.

Their all FTL planetbusters, and can tank planetbusters, sure, but there's only five of them.

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

Originally Posted by Deus

The Lantern Corps are a bit too much for the Nodoss.

Their all FTL planetbusters, and can tank planetbusters, sure, but there's only five of them.

I disagree. I believe the Nodos take this. When they fight as a team they could combine their powers. When the four were trapped in Yuti nothingness by combining their powers they were able to withstand the attack and escape. Just imagine that kind of team work directed aqt the Latern Corps.

Lety can go back in time to specific points if she thinks the Nodos are going to lose and target key Gl Members.

Cerebus' nothing pseudo blackholes are monstrously dangerous.

Bellcross basically tanked being at the center of a star and it exploding, along with the fact not even

Kakrinos is effectively immortal and can decay stuff.

Mehitak typical laser is planet busting and he has an energy warping shield.

And as you said they are all planetbusters and FTL.

[Deus]

Originally Posted by Becoming An Anthropologist

I disagree. I believe the Nodos take this. When they fight as a team they could combine their powers. When the four were trapped in Yuti nothingness by combining their powers they were able to withstand the attack and escape. Just imagine that kind of team work directed aqt the Latern Corps.

Lety can go back in time to specific points if she thinks the Nodos are going to lose and target key Gl Members.

Cerebus' nothing pseudo blackholes are monstrously dangerous.

Bellcross basically tanked being at the center of a star and it exploding, along with the fact not even

Kakrinos is effectively immortal and can decay stuff.

Mehitak typical laser is planet busting and he has an energy warping shield.

And as you said they are all planetbusters and FTL.

There are 7200 Green Lanterns. Each one of which can do things close to or at the level of a single Nodoss. Yes, that includes surviving inside Black Holes, moving at FTL, and cracking planets in half.

To paraphrase you, "Just imagine that kind of team work directed at the Nodoss."

No, they're really not taking this.

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

The Gl's have no way of killing Bellcross. As stated by Lety while she actively tried to kill Bellcross: in all timelines and in all possiblities no death for him existed.

Cerebus's pseudo blackholes did not seem like typical blackholes. Anything sucked into them ceased to exist. It had nothing to do with physical or anything. I don;t see any rookie Gl surving, and if the better ones try to help them out they will get burned by the other Nodos. Likewise, any attacks fired could be sucked in.

Lastly, Lety can go back in time to by exceeding her limit to ensure any weakness in the Nodos defense is accounted for

And of course, Karnkionos power means he can keep on coming back for more and more while methika can manipulate energy and ever created a gateway like mirror shield to relfect any attcks coming the nodos' way.

[Deus]

Originally Posted by Becoming An Anthropologist

The Gl's have no way of killing Bellcross. As stated by Lety while she actively tried to kill Bellcross: in all timelines and in all possiblities no death for him existed.

Which has no bearing on the outcome in CBR. All that means is that in the Heroic Age universe, no possibility for Bellcross to not exist exists.

It will be understood that he can, and will be, killed, in case he suffers damage far and beyond what he was ever shown to take (which the entire GL corps are easily able to do). Yes, there are precedents for this, ask a mod.

Cerebus's pseudo blackholes did not seem like typical blackholes. Anything sucked into them ceased to exist. It had nothing to do with physical or anything. I don;t see any rookie Gl surving, and if the better ones try to help them out they will get burned by the other Nodos. Likewise, any attacks fired could be sucked in.

And when he does so, the other 1,400 destroy him with energies that contain supernovas and hold back energies that were stated to take out a significant fraction of the universe.

The above was done with way less than 1,400, by the way.

Which doesn't count the other 1,399 or so closing them, which they can.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...151_23_glc.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...151_24_glc.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg133ld.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg170je.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg180ny.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg194lf.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg227jg.jpg

Lastly, Lety can go back in time to by exceeding her limit to ensure any weakness in the Nodos defense is accounted for

And be blasted by Lanterns waiting for her. Cause, you know, they can do that too.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...n2/gl63_22.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...2/4213f3c7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...gacy_pg086.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...gacy_pg087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...gacy_pg088.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._642_12_GL.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._642_22_GL.jpg

And of course, Karnkionos power means he can keep on coming back for more and more while methika can manipulate energy and ever created a gateway like mirror shield to relfect any attcks coming the nodos' way.

All of which Lanterns can do also.

There are approximately 1,400 Lanterns for every Nodoss.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

But not every Lantern is so great. If they were all Hal Jordan's/Kyle Raynor's, then sure, they'd win.



But if Superboy Prime can rip Lantern's apart by himself (beating near to death Sodam Yat), I see no reason why the Nodos can't do worse to them.

[Deus]

Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade

But not every Lantern is so great. If they were all Hal Jordan's/Kyle Raynor's, then sure, they'd win.

Except there already *is* a named Lantern for every one of the Nodoss.

And if you look at the scans posted, a few were done by no-name Lanterns anyway.

Which just leaves, what? A few thousand others with more jobs to do.

But if Superboy Prime can rip Lantern's apart by himself (beating near to death Sodam Yat), I see no reason why the Nodos can't do worse to them.

Superboy Prime has the ability to generate near-Doomsday levels of PIS, THE most powerful power of all, so that really doesn't say much.

In the fight in question, Superboy Prime has also defeated only 32 Lanterns. Only. As stated, there are 1,400 Lanterns for every Nodoss. What's more, since Superboy Prime is easily more powerful than a single Nodoss anyway (and that's without his PIS ability), I fail to see how that would help.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Originally Posted by Deus

Except there already *is* a named Lantern for every one of the Nodoss.

And if you look at the scans posted, a few were done by no-name Lanterns anyway.

Which just leaves, what? A few thousand others with more jobs to do.



Superboy Prime has the ability to generate near-Doomsday levels of PIS, THE most powerful power of all, so that really doesn't say much.

In the fight in question, Superboy Prime has also defeated only 32 Lanterns. Only. As stated, there are 1,400 Lanterns for every Nodoss. What's more, since Superboy Prime is easily more powerful than a single Nodoss anyway (and that's without his PIS ability), I fail to see how that would help.

I doubt Prime's stronger than Bellcross, but I'll leave that one for another thread.


So, taking just the main GL's (Hal, Kyle, Guy, John, and, say, Kilowog), could they, one on one, beat the Nodos in your opinion?

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

Originally Posted by Deus

Which has no bearing on the outcome in CBR. All that means is that in the Heroic Age universe, no possibility for Bellcross to not exist exists.

It will be understood that he can, and will be, killed, in case he suffers damage far and beyond what he was ever shown to take (which the entire GL corps are easily able to do). Yes, there are precedents for this, ask a mod.

what is an example of these other precedents?
Because, I do think a mod should judge this case.

Originally Posted by Deus

And when he does so, the other 1,400 destroy him with energies that contain supernovas and hold back energies that were stated to take out a significant fraction of the universe.

The above was done with way less than 1,400, by the way.

Which doesn't count the other 1,399 or so closing them, which they can.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...151_23_glc.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...151_24_glc.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg133ld.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg170je.jpg
http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg180ny.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg194lf.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e02pg227jg.jpg

Only the first two scans worked. Anyway.
Yuti's pseudo blackholes aren't normal. Being able to deal with normal Blackholes isn't enough since people have escaped them by simply using speed in Dc.Likewise, I am not sure if "real blacholes" are suppose to be able to block the existence of anything they engulf. On the other hand, when Leti tried to surpass time as she was engulfed by Cerebus' bloodlusted attack, her it simply was broken. Cerebus' ability blocks even time time travel and any sorts of resistance once hit. Bloodlusted, her attack can engulf well beyond a planet. Every single rookie could be engulfed and taken down and they have nothing to defend against it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOZa6Z0tnQ&feature=fvw

Originally Posted by Deus

And be blasted by Lanterns waiting for her. Cause, you know, they can do that too.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...n2/gl63_22.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...2/4213f3c7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...gacy_pg086.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...gacy_pg087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...gacy_pg088.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._642_12_GL.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._642_22_GL.jpg

Who was that guy holding the kid in the scans with Hal? Besides him, all the scans only showed Hal Jordan. So that's a far cry from the "they' being able to jump back in time. Secondly, all of those showed rather large jumps back in time which would essentially count as a ringout win for the Nodos. My question being, can the Gl jump back a few seconds in time, continously and repeatedly, to different points within those seconds in the continum, in order to spot even one point where the possibility for victory exist?
Lety can do it over 18,000 times and in the end if she fails all the accumlated attemptss energy will just go off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pbJYopZRA&NR=1

Originally Posted by Deus

All of which Lanterns can do also.

There are approximately 1,400 Lanterns for every Nodoss.

It's not like the Gl have much time to put up a team effort defense, ala a wall of will power, before the Nodos come blitzin in and unleashing attacks. The Nodoss should be able to blitz in unleashing attacks with only the auto-shield up to begin. The battle is in space but the starting distance is still fairly close due to default.

[Deus]

Originally Posted by Becoming An Anthropologist

what is an example of these other precedents?
Because, I do think a mod should judge this case.

Do so then. Call them.

Only the first two scans worked.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...2/gl169_10.jpg

The rest will be posted under relevant points below.

Yuti's pseudo blackholes aren't normal. Being able to deal with normal Blackholes isn't enough since people have escaped them by simply using speed in Dc.

Green Lanterns have gone *inside* Black Holes and survived. No name ones, at that.

http://img475.imageshack.us/i/recharge02pg133ld.jpg/
http://img475.imageshack.us/i/recharge02pg170je.jpg/
http://img475.imageshack.us/i/recharge02pg180ny.jpg/
http://img474.imageshack.us/i/recharge02pg194lf.jpg/
Oh yes, they survived the Supernova that created it in the first place shortly before that as well.

Here's a whole group going through it (not avoid it, through it), and popping out the other side.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...2/377424dc.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/...2/7686be08.jpg

Likewise, I am not sure if "real blacholes" are suppose to be able to block the existence of anything they engulf. On the other hand, when Leti tried to surpass time as she was engulfed by Cerebus' bloodlusted attack, her it simply was broken.

And? Given that a rookie no-name (just got the ring that day, in fact) GL has sealed up a rift to the Anti-Matter universe bursting forth with Anti-Matter, which, to put it simply, makes matter cease to be, why does this matter?

Cerebus' ability blocks even time time travel and any sorts of resistance once hit. Bloodlusted, her attack can engulf well beyond a planet. Every single rookie could be engulfed and taken down and they have nothing to defend against it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOZa6Z0tnQ&feature=fvw

Every single rookie? So, GL's are so incompetent that they can do nothing, absolutely nothing, not teleport (which is done automatically, in some cases), not stop time, nothing? Despite 1,400 beings, all of which with the capability to not just replicate said ability, but go far beyond it (GL's doing things like rearracnge matter and energy beyond the planetary scale, changing planets, creating life, opening black holes, and the like). Despite rookies (as shown above), being capable of closing Black Holes, rifts into universes of pure antimatter, and going into extended trips through cosmic vortexes and coming out alive. Nothing?

Forgive my incredulity.

Who was that guy holding the kid in the scans with Hal? Besides him, all the scans only showed Hal Jordan. So that's a far cry from the "they' being able to jump back in time. Secondly, all of those showed rather large jumps back in time which would essentially count as a ringout win for the Nodos.

I trust you don't see the irony in this statement.

My question being, can the Gl jump back a few seconds in time, continously and repeatedly, to different points within those seconds in the continum, in order to spot even one point where the possibility for victory exist?
Lety can do it over 18,000 times and in the end if she fails all the accumlated attemptss energy will just go off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pbJYopZRA&NR=1

Given that Lety isn't particularly physically powerful, not to mention requires several seconds of setup for a ceremony to even accomplish it in the first place, the GL's that do so simply kill her.

It's not like the Gl have much time to put up a team effort defense, ala a wall of will power, before the Nodos come blitzin in and unleashing attacks. The Nodoss should be able to blitz in unleashing attacks with only the auto-shield up to begin. The battle is in space but the starting distance is still fairly close due to default.

And, given that Nodoss, in character, don't blitz as a starting tactic (no more so than GL's who are also capable of giving themselves said speeds), this really doesn't have much behind it.

[Sharpandpointies]

Originally Posted by Becoming An Anthropologist

what is an example of these other precedents?
Because, I do think a mod should judge this case.

It's called 'no-limits fallacy'. If a character is stated to be 'all-powerful', and overcomes everyone in his respective universe, he is not considered to be 'all-powerful' in Rumbles.

He is considered to have the uppermost level of power demonstrated.

Similarly, if a character is considered 'unkillable' in his own universe, he isn't in Rumbles. He can withstand what he has been demonstrated to withstand.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies

It's called 'no-limits fallacy'. If a character is stated to be 'all-powerful', and overcomes everyone in his respective universe, he is not considered to be 'all-powerful' in Rumbles.

He is considered to have the uppermost level of power demonstrated.

Similarly, if a character is considered 'unkillable' in his own universe, he isn't in Rumbles. He can withstand what he has been demonstrated to withstand.

Which is a lot.



The Lantern's won't easily take Bellcross down, but I am seeing what Deus is saying. While Bellcross and the others are easily a match for, IMO, the best GL's around, there are simply too many lower Red Shirt Lanterns to tip the scale. 1400 each is a rather high number, even if you take into concideration that 3000 or so of those 7200 Lanterns would most likely be worthless/featless/rookies.

[Sharpandpointies]

I'm not really finding it easy to follow what happens in the videos, other than large armies getting blasted to bits, a black hole being created, etc. Context would probably help, and I have none.

Does someone want to summerize the capacities of the Nodos - planet-busting energies, durability, etc - ? That would make it a little more easy for my poor brain to comprehend.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies

I'm not really finding it easy to follow what happens in the videos, other than large armies getting blasted to bits, a black hole being created, etc. Context would probably help, and I have none.

Does someone want to summerize the capacities of the Nodos - planet-busting energies, durability, etc - ? That would make it a little more easy for my poor brain to comprehend.

It's....hard....to get the gist from the video's. They are planet busters. Durability is beyond planet busting aswell.


Deus could probably give you a better break down then me, because he's seen if more recently than I.