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Valeria Kementari · 11-23-2009, 11:17 AM

Since day one (aka Uncanny X-Men 1) it was established that being a mutant meant being a different race, a different species. They are known as "Homo Superior" according to the lovable Magneto. So... if the mutants are a race into itself, does the color of their skin an/or their facial features count them as being part of the lesser homo sapiens races? Is Sunfire Asian or is he mutant or is he a mutant asian? What should the correct clasification be for mutants that don't have blue skin or scales on their bodies?

Monty_Cristo · 11-23-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Valeria Kementari

Since day one (aka Uncanny X-Men 1) it was established that being a mutant meant being a different race, a different species. They are known as "Homo Superior" according to the lovable Magneto. So... if the mutants are a race into itself, does the color of their skin an/or their facial features count them as being part of the lesser homo sapiens races? Is Sunfire Asian or is he mutant or is he a mutant asian? What should the correct clasification be for mutants that don't have blue skin or scales on their bodies?

lucky? ....................

KiplingKat · 11-23-2009, 11:21 AM

Does it have to be an either or? Can't someone be both, and what take precedence depends on the situation?

Castel · 11-23-2009, 11:23 AM

At least mutants are not stupid enough to judge people just by the color of their skin.

Homo superior indeed. ^^

fod_xp · 11-23-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KiplingKat

Does it have to be an either or? Can't someone be both, and what take precedence depends on the situation?

Don't you use "either, or" arguments in defense of Magneto?

Valeria Kementari · 11-23-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KiplingKat

Does it have to be an either or? Can't someone be both, and what take precedence depends on the situation?

That's what I'd like to know and the point of the thread. Should mutants be considered completely different than humans and a race unto themselves or be have the same kind of separation the humans have or both at the same time? It's complicated

fod_xp · 11-23-2009, 11:27 AM

"Race" is a social concept borne from the Victorian ideas of science. "Race" was a means of justifying segregation and oppressing minorities.

Also, I would hesitate to classify Mutants as a different species considering they can breed offspring from regular humans.

KK, you would know the correct term for this! I am rusty on my "species classifications".

KiplingKat · 11-23-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Valeria Kementari

That's what I'd like to know and the point of the thread. Should mutants be considered completely different than humans and a race unto themselves or be have the same kind of separation the humans have or both at the same time? It's complicated

The funny thing is that socially they have been made into a separate ethnicity, but biologically, they are not a separate species. They can and have interbred with humans to have viable offspring. Like Canis lupus familiaris (the deomestic dog) is a subspecies of Canis lupus (wolves) , so Homo sapien superior are a subspecies of Homo sapiens

But as far as comparing that to "race", biologically there is no such thing.

.LuckyStar. · 11-23-2009, 11:50 AM

Psylocke is Human Mutant/Otherworldian/Caucasian/Asian.

jlmoor · 11-23-2009, 11:51 AM

Even if it were a seperate race (which 'race' is defined differently depending on who is asking) can't someone be black and asian? Then why not black and a mutant? The whole point of the X-Men is that crap like this shouldn't matter at all and that we are all people. So fighting over being a mutant erases your 'blackness' is ridiculous at best.
Go look up the what defines race in your state, it is different by state and organization. There is no legal consistent definition. Isn't the closest thing to mutation say like Downs Syndrom or Retts, or some other organic biological anomoly? Mutation is not a race, mutation is biologically bound.

jlmoor · 11-23-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Castel

At least mutants are not stupid enough to judge people just by the color of their skin.

Homo superior indeed. ^^

Other than that time Scott called that guy a camel jockey.

And Paulie may not have said anything based on skin color, but he sure was a homophobe.

Leirus · 11-23-2009, 12:00 PM

And... religion?
Are the mutants sons of God Almighty?

xgeek52 · 11-23-2009, 12:01 PM

stan lee conception of the x-men was humans with a mutation that seperated them from the rest of society...

it was never a matter of race because genetics knows no race...

but lee's conception was to make them a minority and at least that exists today..

think of utopia and nation x as isreal in it's infancy...

fod_xp · 11-23-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by .LuckyStar.

Psylocke is Human Mutant/Otherworldian/Caucasian/Asian.

Psylocke is actually a whole new species. She exists out side of spacetime, and has more in common with Shadow King. Which means hid the space boys and swords, crazy cauc-ASIAN is on the loose!

psycwave · 11-23-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by .LuckyStar.

Psylocke is Human Mutant/Otherworldian/Caucasian/Asian.

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Originally Posted by fod_xp

Psylocke is actually a whole new species. She exists out side of spacetime, and has more in common with Shadow King. Which means hid the space boys and swords, crazy cauc-ASIAN is on the loose!

She is such a revolutionary. <3

11-23-2009, 11:17 AM	#1
Valeria Kementari Sparkling Vampire Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nurmengard Posts: 2,401	Mutants and Race, which one takes precedence? Since day one (aka Uncanny X-Men 1) it was established that being a mutant meant being a different race, a different species. They are known as "Homo Superior" according to the lovable Magneto. So... if the mutants are a race into itself, does the color of their skin an/or their facial features count them as being part of the lesser homo sapiens races? Is Sunfire Asian or is he mutant or is he a mutant asian? What should the correct clasification be for mutants that don't have blue skin or scales on their bodies? __________________ Storm's Sanctum Sanctorum Mutant Magazine Central

11-23-2009, 11:21 AM	#3
KiplingKat Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,123	Does it have to be an either or? Can't someone be both, and what take precedence depends on the situation? __________________ "Only those whose lives are brief can imagine a love that is eternal. I suggest you embrace that remarkable illusion." ~ JMS

11-23-2009, 11:27 AM	#7
fod_xp mad and beautiful! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Spanish omlette makes language fun! Posts: 1,813	"Race" is a social concept borne from the Victorian ideas of science. "Race" was a means of justifying segregation and oppressing minorities. Also, I would hesitate to classify Mutants as a different species considering they can breed offspring from regular humans. KK, you would know the correct term for this! I am rusty on my "species classifications". __________________ "Sadly, the Marvel office chose to ignore the alternate titles I wrote at the top of each script. I liked IRON MAN: HUMAN SEX JEEP the best." -Warren Ellis

11-23-2009, 11:50 AM	#9
.LuckyStar. is feminist Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,231	Psylocke is Human Mutant/Otherworldian/Caucasian/Asian. __________________ Psylocke · Like a Butterfly Psylocke · Rogue · Gambit · Iceman · Jean Grey · Dazzler · Cannonball · Polaris · Sage · Nate Grey

11-23-2009, 11:51 AM	#10
jlmoor fanwank queen Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 6,108	Even if it were a seperate race (which 'race' is defined differently depending on who is asking) can't someone be black and asian? Then why not black and a mutant? The whole point of the X-Men is that crap like this shouldn't matter at all and that we are all people. So fighting over being a mutant erases your 'blackness' is ridiculous at best. Go look up the what defines race in your state, it is different by state and organization. There is no legal consistent definition. Isn't the closest thing to mutation say like Downs Syndrom or Retts, or some other organic biological anomoly? Mutation is not a race, mutation is biologically bound. __________________ Your X-obsession is fascinating and almost commendable-bebopeva88.

11-23-2009, 11:23 AM	#4
Castel Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 297	At least mutants are not stupid enough to judge people just by the color of their skin. Homo superior indeed. ^^

11-23-2009, 12:00 PM	#12
Leirus EEEEEEEEE ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 3,352	And... religion? Are the mutants sons of God Almighty?

11-23-2009, 12:01 PM	#13
xgeek52 Elder Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: las vegas, nv Posts: 10,840	stan lee conception of the x-men was humans with a mutation that seperated them from the rest of society... it was never a matter of race because genetics knows no race... but lee's conception was to make them a minority and at least that exists today.. think of utopia and nation x as isreal in it's infancy... __________________ be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth... cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war... spartan, come back with your shield or on it... i'm lost...i've gone to look for myself...if i should return before i get back -- please ask me to wait... i'm a rock in a sea of chaos...

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