Double standard, or do Americans just have a stick up thier butt re: overt sexuality

[bert]

So, to the shock of no one (or at least anyone who has paid the least bit of attention), Adam Lambert's performance last night at the AMAs has generated controversy:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi...rds/index.html


I'm off work all week, so I was watching Ellen, and the View came on after. . . I left it on since they were talking about Lambert's performance last night.

Barbara Walters said that they had been told by ABC censors that because they were in Daytime, they were not allowed to show the clip they had intended to show (Lambert kissing his male keyboard player).

but Sherri Shepard and Elisabeth Hasselback said that wasn't thier main complaint (yeah, sure). . they said he was "overtly" sexual with all of the dancers, both male and female -- simulating oral sex and masturbation.


but when you think about it, that's what Madonna, and Michael Jackson have/had both done for years.

so IS there a double standard going on here?

wondering about opinions. . .

[scout1279]

Originally Posted by bert

So, to the shock of no one (or at least anyone who has paid the least bit of attention), Adam Lambert's performance last night at the AMAs has generated controversy:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi...rds/index.html


I'm off work all week, so I was watching Ellen, and the View came on after. . . I left it on since they were talking about Lambert's performance last night.

Barbara Walters said that they had been told by ABC censors that because they were in Daytime, they were not allowed to show the clip they had intended to show (Lambert kissing his male keyboard player).

but Sherri Shepard and Elisabeth Hasselback said that wasn't thier main complaint (yeah, sure). . they said he was "overtly" sexual with all of the dancers, both male and female -- simulating oral sex and masturbation.


but when you think about it, that's what Madonna, and Michael Jackson have/had both done for years.

so IS there a double standard going on here?

wondering about opinions. . .

I haven't heard anything about the performance, but I can say that there has been plenty of outrage over the years about Madonna and Michael Jackson touching themselves.

[Lester C.]

Originally Posted by bert

So, to the shock of no one (or at least anyone who has paid the least bit of attention), Adam Lambert's performance last night at the AMAs has generated controversy:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi...rds/index.html


I'm off work all week, so I was watching Ellen, and the View came on after. . . I left it on since they were talking about Lambert's performance last night.

Barbara Walters said that they had been told by ABC censors that because they were in Daytime, they were not allowed to show the clip they had intended to show (Lambert kissing his male keyboard player).

but Sherri Shepard and Elisabeth Hasselback said that wasn't thier main complaint (yeah, sure). . they said he was "overtly" sexual with all of the dancers, both male and female -- simulating oral sex and masturbation.


but when you think about it, that's what Madonna, and Michael Jackson have/had both done for years.

so IS there a double standard going on here?

wondering about opinions. . .

There are always double standards going on with gay people and women all the time. All he did was kiss the guy and people are going nuts. Had it been a heterosexual couple no one would have cared unless both parties were famous and even then it'd just be about the gossip not the hate.

[Spackling Compound]

Originally Posted by bert

So, to the shock of no one (or at least anyone who has paid the least bit of attention), Adam Lambert's performance last night at the AMAs has generated controversy:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi...rds/index.html


I'm off work all week, so I was watching Ellen, and the View came on after. . . I left it on since they were talking about Lambert's performance last night.

Barbara Walters said that they had been told by ABC censors that because they were in Daytime, they were not allowed to show the clip they had intended to show (Lambert kissing his male keyboard player).

but Sherri Shepard and Elisabeth Hasselback said that wasn't thier main complaint (yeah, sure). . they said he was "overtly" sexual with all of the dancers, both male and female -- simulating oral sex and masturbation.


but when you think about it, that's what Madonna, and Michael Jackson have/had both done for years.

so IS there a double standard going on here?

wondering about opinions. . .

I didn't see it nor was I interested. Regardless, I feel this is another manufactured "BIG MOMENT IN TELEVISION HISTORY" on the same lines as Madonna and Spears kissing.

The first guy on guy kiss from a rock star I saw on tv was back in '79 or there about. Jagger kissed Richards. Tongue kissed. On SNL. I remember saying to my friend Steve, "That's something you don't see much of." He replied, "I guess if you been on the road with someone for 14 years, you may as well kiss 'em."

[TCJohnson]

I am at work so I can't see the performance until later...

But based just on the CNN clips, then yes, there is a double standard. It was just a kiss, that's all.

[TCJohnson]

Originally Posted by scout1279

I haven't heard anything about the performance, but I can say that there has been plenty of outrage over the years about Madonna and Michael Jackson touching themselves.

While true...if there is outrage they usually show clips of the performance on daytime news. They showed clips of the Janet Jackson slip with a digital mask over the nipple.

The fact they won't show a male on male kiss as part of a news story is what's weird.

[kid_mash]

Wow David Bowie is blowing americas minds!

[scout1279]

Originally Posted by TCJohnson

While true...if there is outrage they usually show clips of the performance on daytime news. They showed clips of the Janet Jackson slip with a digital mask over the nipple.

The fact they won't show a male on male kiss as part of a news story is what's weird.

Oh, I'm not arguing that there isn't a double standard. Of course there is. And when Madonna kissed Britney Spears, that clip was everywhere.

I was just pointing out that had there not been a man-on-man kiss, people would still be outraged over the simulated masterbation, because they always are. A few years back, Pink cause a big freak out at the MTV awards because the delay wasn't enough to cut out the part of her act where people some guy simulated performing oral sex on her. When I was a kid, I remember people freaking out the day after Michael Jackson's Black or White video premiered on FOX, noting the number of times he touched his crotch.

Anyway, when my local news mentioned the AMAs this morning, all they mentioned was Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift, and J. Lo falling on her ass.

[Spackling Compound]

Originally Posted by scout1279

Anyway, when my local news mentioned the AMAs this morning, all they mentioned was Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift, and J. Lo falling on her ass.

I read an article in the paper about it. The most of the article was about Jackson sweeping the awards and vying for Performer of the Year. The article did not mention who won Performer of the Year.

But, no CONTROVERSY over teh gayzzz in the article. Just a mention that the Black Eyed Peas played a Nirvana riff at the end of a performance.

[Shisho]

Yes. Americans have sticks up their butts. Strangely enough, I was just having this conversation with my family yesterday, and I didn't even know about the Lamert thing. My mom is hooked on the Spanish language version of American Idol (can't remember what it was called), and we were talking about how much more fun it would be if the American version was more like it. Sexy dancers and whatnot, great big splashy spectacle. But we were also talking about how uptight American audiences are, and how it would never fly. Yes, I think there is a double standard, but also I think the country is run by hypocritical Prudy McPrudersons.

[jamesfreeman]

Originally Posted by bert

So, to the shock of no one (or at least anyone who has paid the least bit of attention), Adam Lambert's performance last night at the AMAs has generated controversy:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi...rds/index.html


I'm off work all week, so I was watching Ellen, and the View came on after. . . I left it on since they were talking about Lambert's performance last night.

Barbara Walters said that they had been told by ABC censors that because they were in Daytime, they were not allowed to show the clip they had intended to show (Lambert kissing his male keyboard player).

but Sherri Shepard and Elisabeth Hasselback said that wasn't thier main complaint (yeah, sure). . they said he was "overtly" sexual with all of the dancers, both male and female -- simulating oral sex and masturbation.


but when you think about it, that's what Madonna, and Michael Jackson have/had both done for years.

so IS there a double standard going on here?

wondering about opinions. . .

Well, Madonna and MJ both took heat over the years for the faux "touching themselves", so It's not like this is the first time someone's gotten in trouble over it.

[Xeres]

Yeah. Stick up their butt I think.

[Duxdoom]

I saw a clip of his act, but I just thought it looked terrible. That was my problem. That people were giving such a hubbub over what appears to be a really crappy pop performance.

[bfrank]

No double standard and his nonsense about discrimination is just that: nosnsense....Had this taking place during the VMA's on MTV, and folks still got upset, he would have had a point, but prime time on a disney owned station? Please, shut up and sing....better than that, after last nights performance, just shut up......

[Sean Walsh]

I recall a similar hubbub being made about Madonna kissing Britney a few years back on one of these award shows that I don't watch. And that was just a kiss.

People are saying there's more to this Lambert thing than just a kiss (lots of gestures and whatever). If that's true, maybe there's of a reason for a hubbub......but yeah, in the overall subject of sexuality in America, we really need to calm down and just deal with it.

Much "worse" things in not-so-blatant displays are done all the time and the controversy is lessened or even completely muted.