Marvel League 2009 Game 15: Jack Flash vs. Jessica Drew

[mattbib]

Greetings, fight fans! Welcome to our first semi-final match! Who will go on to the final?

Week 5: Savage Land

Jack Flash's STOP, COLLABORATE and LISTEN
Kiden Nixon, Molten Man, Living Lightning, Black Mamba, Skein, Corruptor, Bobby Soul

vs.

Jessica Drew's VD: X-51
Doctor Doom (3), Machine Man, Vision, Darkstar II, Devil-Slayer

Both participants have submitted strategies:

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[mattbib]

Once again, my team of Spartans finds itself up against a bit of a Persian Empire. That’s ok, that how we like it.

Soundtrack for this match: Bon Jovi’s Living on a Prayer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUSDS9pkA2Y

Phase 1: You've got to hold on to what you got
Bobby Soul Possesses Darkstar II. She’s a newbie superhero and in her few appearances she’s already been shown to be afraid of using her abilities. This hesistation will allow Bobby to take her over and eliminate the estrogen in my oponent’s team. Bobby’s possession’s have been shown to be instantaneous and have never failed in canon. Bobby-Star will shackle Doom and Vision in a dark force Iron Mask. They’ll be top heavy and incapacitated.

Kiden grabs hands with Skein and Black Mamba and stops time. They maneuver to find out what is going on with the other team. Skein will telekinetically squeeze Doom’s prostrate. Doom is a straight man who is an uber control freak so he’s likely never had an experience like that. He’s incapacitated, Vision has made babies with Wanda so we know he’s capable of orgasm too, so he’s in the same predicament. Skein also will unravel Devil Slayer’s magical cape. She’s undone magical textiles before (with Crimson Cowl) so he’ll be naked and without his bag of tricks. Black Mamba telepathically sets a darkforce trap in Devil Slayer’s head. He has telepathic resistance, so he may fight it but it’ll at least slow him down. Kiden restarts time with a kick to the back of Devil Slayer’s knee sending time and Devil Slayer rushing forward.

Living Lightning powers up and at sublight level speed zaps Machine Man. Living Lightning has sublight level speed so he’ll avoid any attacks that could siphon off his energy. That’s faster than any spell of any sort or any shield that MM could put up. Machine Man has been shown to be overloaded by electricty in the past. He’s booted down in time for Christmas

Molten Man powers up and blasts a booted down Machine Man with fiery lava scrapping him for parts.

Corruptor will be on guard for any for who tries to teleport into my team’s midst pre-time stop. His touch is ruthless and he’ll go for Doom’s eyes since that’s the only opening his majesty has.


Phase 2: Oh, We're half-way there!

Molten Man blasts an incapacitated/distracted Doom with a full frontal assualt. Cooking him.

Bobby Star will create Darkforce sticks and pummel the naked leg-wounded Devil Slayer.

Living Lightning will target Viz and light him up with 13,000,000 volts of electricity. This will take all the remaining fight out of him and take him down for the count but not kill the android.

Kiden will stop time every 10 seconds for the first 90 seconds of the match while hand-holding with Corruptor who will touch any foe that crosses over to our side of the battlefield. His touch will un-stop time and forcibly injure the foe but it will also bring them under his mental control. Any controlled foe will be directed back to physically attack Viz or Doom. If they don’t take over anyone she’ll restart by kicking Devil Slayer again. After 90 seconds him and Kiden will timestop and search out Dinosaurs. She’ll time restart right behind them and let Corruptor take em over. We’re going to create an evil dino-squad to utilize to devour Jessica Drew’s squad.

Black Mamba will continue to telepathically manipulate Devil Slayer if he eludes my teams opening salvo.

Skein keeps up the prostrate squeeze on Doom until he’s burnt to a crisp. If Viz continues to fight she’ll wrap him up in his gay cape.

If Bobby Soul fails to take over Darkstar, then Skein will also choke her with her hair until she passes out.

Phase 3: We got each other, and that's alot...

Machine Man will be electrocuted and scrap metal burnt parts.

Devil Slayer’s evil ass will be stripped naked, beaten and broken, and lulled to suffocation by my resident temptress Black Mamba.

Darkstar will be Bobby Soul.

Doom will be given the orgasm of his boring button down life and then all cooked inside his metal convection oven.

Evil corrupted Dinosaurs will be hunting the rest of JDrew’s crew. Any of them that slipped past us will get their Jurass’s handed to them Land Before Time style.

The rest of my team will pour on the hurt Viz if he’s still awake.

[mattbib]

VD: the X51 strain covers “Time” from the album The Dark Side of the Doom

Stage One – “No one told you when to run/You missed the starting gun”

· The match starts: Doom goes back in time (his time-travel device built into his armor; he’s shown this quite a few times, including his appearance in Mighty Avengers) to the few seconds before the match starts, and he stands next to where Kiden Nixon will stand when she arrives. When she arrives, Doom backhands her hard enough to knock her out; therefore, KD is out before she—or her teammates—has had a chance to act. If no one believes Doom can/should be able to do this, then KD's stopping time will have no effect upon Doom, whose armor prevents him from being affected by time-travel displacement. IF she does stop time, then as soon as she does, and she and her teammate(s) begin coming over to my side of the field, Doom will blast them.

Result: Kiden Nixon is out.

Stage Two – All actions simultaneous: “And your eyes/Catch up with the sun/That is sinking”

· Darkstar envelopes herself with a Darkforce field--which should make Bobby Soul’s possession attempts extremely difficult if not impossible, for the Darkforce has driven people mad—and teleports to different areas of the field, making it even more difficult for Bobby Soul to possess her (or any of his teammates to find her).

· Devil-Slayer teleports to a far side of the field. When he teleports, he goes into his cape, and—at least momentarily—possession isn’t possible, for inside his cape is a Negative Zone-type area, and Bobby Soul’s powers wouldn’t enable him to find Devil-Slayer’s mind there. Devil-Slayer has psychic powers of his own, and Bobby Soul might have a more difficult time than normal trying to possess one with psychic defenses. Devil-Slayer will then teleport to different areas of the field, staying just long enough to teleport again.

· Vision, intangible, flies to find Bobby Soul, and partially phases through him, knocking him out. If the Corruptor is near by, ready to lay a disc on him, the Vision will partially phase through both of them, as he’s done this trick numerous times before.

· Machine Man flies and fires blasts at Black Mamba, taking her out. MM should easily be able to track her and take her down. Living Lightning should not be able to harm MM, as MM can instantly absorb energy—especially electricity.

· Doom (who’s been shown to be completely impervious to possession or psi-feats of any kind) flies up and fires blasts at Skein, taking her out. Doom should easily be able to track her and take her down. Living Lightning should not be able to harm Doom, as Doom can instantly absorb energy—especially electricity (and especially after he built such absorbing devices into his armor after Namor once shocked him in an early issue of Super-Villain Team-Up).

Results: Bobby Soul, Black Mamba, and Skein are out.

Stage Two – All actions simultaneous: “Racing around/To come up behind you again”

· Doom and Machine Man will force field up and appear on the far side of the field away from my remaining opponents. They will then double their force fields, one inside the other (with Doom’s—the stronger one—on the outside). Darkstar and Devil-Slayer will teleport inside these fields, and Vision will fly over and phase inside them. Neither Molten Man nor Living Lightning will be able to crack these fields.

· Darkstar will then release her gravity ball through a crevice that Doom and MM leave in their force fields over the area over the other team. Gravity can bend space, time, and energy, so Living Lightning should be downed by this (and forced into his human form, as this gravity ball once forced Lyja from Skrull form to human); Molten Man and the Corrupter should fall down as well.

Results: Living Lightning, Molten Man, and the Corruptor are down (and the latter is probably out).

Stage Three – All actions simultaneous: “Shorter of breath,/And one day closer to death”

· Darkstar releases the gravity ball, just as

· Devil-Slayer teleports out and pounds Living Lightning over the head with a blunt instrument.

· Vision phases through the force fields and partially phases through the Collector.

· Machine Man teleports out and wraps his arms around Molten Man, sending an electrical shock through his body while he squeezes. This may not take out the Molten Man, but it should hurt him, as MM has been strong enough to beat the Vision down before.

· Doom and Darkstar are behind Doom’s force field, ready to help.

Results: Living Lightning and the Corrupter are out.

Stage Three – “The time is gone/The song is over”

· Machine Man releases the Molten Man long enough for the Vision to partially phase through him, and then Machine Man and the Vision pound away at him until he’s out.

· Devil-Slayer, Doom and Darkstar (the latter two still behind Doom’s force field) stand at the ready.

[Jack Flash]

Great strategy Jdrew! I have some thoughts/questions. But as always I am not going to vigorously debate, our strategies should speak for themselves.

- I don't think that Doom's or Devil Slayer's opening salvo would work within the rules since they are leaving the field of play, but it's semantics at best.

What would happen if Devil Slayer's cape got unravelled (or started to unravel) while he was gone?

Bobby Soul's possession is done astrally, which I don't think that a darkforce hiding maneuver would camoflage on the astral plane. So I (of course!) think that Darkstar get's taken which takes out her later move.

I don't have my comics with me but I have seen Machine Man get overloaded before.

I have more thoughts but work is crazy busy. Good strategy again Jessica Drew!

[Global Honored]

Both very creative strats. I really have to give props to JDrew for preparing and anticipating some big moves by the opposition and Jed for bringing the fun yet again. Your both just too damn clever, in a good way of course.

I would like some clarity as to the legality of Doom's maneuver and then...it's difference (leaving playing field) from Kiden's...since she is doing similar actions each week. Also on Skein's prostate crunch though very lethal and since I have undergone some personal pains down there in recent weeks I can totally understand the devastation of such tactics....would it work on Doom or Vision? What is Doom's armor made of and also Vision's outfit..do androids have/need prostates even...these are legit questions. I want to see a a diagram of Vision's reproductive system or a urology report...stat.

This is gonna be a tough. You guys really are bringing it this year and I have enjoyed both teams and their imaginative attacks. I may have more questions later on...this is such a terrific contest and whoever wins surely is deserving of a spot in the final. I wouldnt be surprised if the final(s) aren't just another rematch or two.

[Bodhi M.]

As always Jack, you do bring a most unique method to your strategies (lol).

I agree, this is a close match. I'm not sure the maneuver on Doom would work, as I suspect that he goes commando under that armor, nor do I think it would work for the Vision, as his phasing power would negate it.

On the other side of things, I don't think that the time-travel idea would work, as that is too much like leaving the field of battle, but if Dooms armor negates chronal displacement, then its a moot point anyway. Not sure if Machine Man could absorb as much energy as Living Lightning can put out.

Loved Jack's strategy involving the Corrupter and the dinasours. And I loved Jessica's gravity ball trick. Good job to both of you, great reading.

[Jessica Drew]

Originally Posted by Jack Flash

Great strategy Jdrew! I have some thoughts/questions. But as always I am not going to vigorously debate, our strategies should speak for themselves.

- I don't think that Doom's or Devil Slayer's opening salvo would work within the rules since they are leaving the field of play, but it's semantics at best.

What would happen if Devil Slayer's cape got unravelled (or started to unravel) while he was gone?

Bobby Soul's possession is done astrally, which I don't think that a darkforce hiding maneuver would camoflage on the astral plane. So I (of course!) think that Darkstar get's taken which takes out her later move.

I don't have my comics with me but I have seen Machine Man get overloaded before.

I have more thoughts but work is crazy busy. Good strategy again Jessica Drew!

Thanks, JF, and the same goes for your plan as well.

Work was crazy for me today, too, as I've been unable to post until now.

I'll just offer an answer to each point Jack has brought up. I've a few points of my own, but I promised my son I'd take him to the nearby bookstore (nearby meaning 50 miles away) tonight so that he can peruse the shelves for information on benevolent dictators, information that he'll use to show his fellow parentless prisoners at daycare tomorrow (he doesn't have school, but I do) how each of these world leaders don't hold a candle to the might and majesty that is DOOM.

I'll be back in about five hours or so to answer any questions..

Doom's opening time-travel tactic: Doom is not leaving the playing field. He's simply teleporting to a different time on the same playing field. It's teleportation with a twist, but it's still just teleportation. Poof! He's there, and poof, he's back again. This time-travel tactic has presence in the Marvel League as well; I know, for it was used against me two (or three) years ago in the finals, and everyone bought it then. Everyone should buy it now; time-travel is a normal Doom feat. Heck, it's one of the things he's renowned for.

Also, Doom's armor--and I can post scans later tonight--negates chronal displacement.

Devil-Slayer's teleportation doesn't take him from the battlefield, either. He's not hiding out in his cloak. He's merely using the cloak as a means of teleportation. Poof, he's at one spot; and poof, he's at another. The time he spends inside of the cloak between spaces is much longer than the time he's absent from regular reality; his time "away from the battlefield" is no longer than, say, Nightcrawler's would be.

Furthermore, Devil-Slayer's cape wouldn't get unraveled while he was gone because it goes with him (even though he goes inside the cloak to 'port). Skein would have to notice him and the cloak, start mentally unravelling it, and then he'd be gone, and she'd have to find him to start it again...if her trick would work. I don't think it would. Devil-Slayer's cape is magic, and it's not even from this dimension.

Bobby Soul's astral possession poses less of a problem for Darkstar than it would were he to "normally" (psychically) possess her; Darkstar's mind/spirit is in touch with the Darkforce at all times; that's why she (and other Darkforce wielders like Cloak) is a bit unstable: she's (to an extent) infused with the Darkforce. Bobby Soul's astral self would have to possess this part of the Darkforce as well...not to mention that she's teleporting as quickly as he is possessing. His possession may be quick, but it's not a default position; he doens't begin the match by possessing whomever he wants. He has to think (and he probably has to send his astral self over, too, and the distance between the foes should be of some matter here) and then he has to act. His actions may by nigh instantaneous, but Darkstar's are as well. Could his astral self travel, enter, and possess a Darkforce-infused Darkstar before she could teleport? Could he hold that possession while the Vision is phasing through him?

Machine Man has been overloaded before, but that was early in his history. He--and this is part-and-parcel of him, especially during the X-51 series--can adapt to make himself not succeptible to the same trick the next time. He's taken the electricity from an entire city grid; he's absorbed all the energy from the Vision. He's even put out enough electricity to shock the Hulk into unconsciousness (albeit briefly). Pluse, he's prepared for this.

That's it from me for now. My son is shouting, "Doom demands your attention!"

Goodonya, Jack.

[Jack Flash]

Hey bib, I can't see who is voting for who! That's different right? It looks like it's going to be close!

Good luck Jdrew! I am not going to be able to be around much either tonight so if anyone has questions please wait until tomorrow morning!

[Talisman]

The poll is blocked, so I don't know who voted!!! How can I vote if my partner's already voted? Or since we've already lost, does that mean we both get a vote now?

[Global Honored]

If your team has been knocked out already then it is okay for both players to vote in a match. I PM'd mattbib with the same question.

I have to travel tomorrow up to the Bluegrass state for Thanksgiving so I went ahead and placed my vote.

I chose JDrew on this one. My rationale was that Doom's time travel trumped Kiden's attack. I thought it was an excellent move, very creative and stayed true to the character at the same time. I know how hard it is to counter that move from Kiden and crew first hand and thought that this tactic was plausible, pushing the limits of the rules without breaking them, and stopped a potential "deus ex machina (most used term of the '09 league so far)" from taking place. Plus the darkforce powers really matched up well against Bobby Soul and JF's team. I don't want to take anything away from JF as he put together another top notch strategy, well thought out and there can definitely be a case made for his team. That being said, I do think JF may have gone to the well one too many times with the Kiden touch time stop, Skein crotch squeeze and Bobby Soul possession phase. I guess if it ain't broke, why fix it?....Let's see if I can throw anymore cliche's in to this post...hmm...

Great match guys. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Too bad one of you has to lose this one but as they say, you can't win 'em all....yep, I managed.

[Jessica Drew]

I'm back. I'll honor JF's creed and let the strategies speak for themselves.

If anyone needs any questions answered, though, I'm here.

[mattbib]

Originally Posted by Jack Flash

Hey bib, I can't see who is voting for who! That's different right? It looks like it's going to be close!

Crap, my mistake. I forgot to click the button. I can re-start the whole thing if either you or JD have a problem with not seeing who's voting, but at this point I cannot make voters show up in the existing poll.

Talisman, now that you're out both of you can vote.

[ChaZ X]

Close close match in my estimation. But even if you discount Doom's Opening Manuver, He'd still get Kiden and company when she stopped time, as his armor cannot be chronally displaced and I think while they were thinking they were safe and untouchable he'd just blast them all.

Props for using Skein's power in a slightly different way. as I think I noted in an earlier match it does say she can effect organic tissues as well as cloth. Might work on Doom's Bits, but not Vision's, as he isn't organic, regardless of if he has a Pseudo prostate

[Joe Acro]

Originally Posted by ChaZ X

Props for using Skein's power in a slightly different way. as I think I noted in an earlier match it does say she can effect organic tissues as well as cloth. Might work on Doom's Bits, but not Vision's, as he isn't organic, regardless of if he has a Pseudo prostate

It might, however, work on the cloth surrounding that prostrate.

[Jessica Drew]

Less than twenty minutes remaining...any questions, anyone?

Anyone need any convincing?