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Cleric of Hell's Brigade · 11-22-2009, 06:05 AM

Cap replaces Dutch. Assume his initial mission is the same (hostage recovery). He gets no knowledge on the Predator, obviously.

What happens? Can Cap save Dutch's crew from the Predator when it strikes? Or will it pan out the same?

And what happens when/if he has to go up, one on one, with the Predator?

With shield?

Without shield?

Iron Shadow · 11-22-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade

Cap replaces Dutch. Assume his initial mission is the same (hostage recovery). He gets no knowledge on the Predator, obviously.

What happens? Can Cap save Dutch's crew from the Predator when it strikes? Or will it pan out the same?

And what happens when/if he has to go up, one on one, with the Predator?

With shield?

Without shield?

Either way, Cap destroys him. One or two guys might die to start, but the Predator is no match for Cap if Dutch could beat him.

FalconX2000 · 11-22-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Shadow

Either way, Cap destroys him. One or two guys might die to start, but the Predator is no match for Cap if Dutch could beat him.

Well, Dutch did not beat the Predator without a whole lot of luck, and not in a stand up fight. Completely legit victory of course, but he'd lose more often than not.

Cap, on the other hand, should be able to beat the Predator with or without the shield.

Cleric of Hell's Brigade · 11-22-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FalconX2000

Well, Dutch did not beat the Predator without a whole lot of luck, and not in a stand up fight. Completely legit victory of course, but he'd lose more often than not.

Cap, on the other hand, should be able to beat the Predator with or without the shield.

Ahh, but would the Predator go after him like he did Dutch?

Or would he stay stealthed?

And can Cap save any of Dutch's soldiers if he can't see or target the Pred to fight him?

FalconX2000 · 11-22-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade

Ahh, but would the Predator go after him like he did Dutch?

Or would he stay stealthed?

And can Cap save any of Dutch's soldiers if he can't see or target the Pred to fight him?

Cap can definately spot the Predator. That invisibility is far from perfect.

I dunno if Cap could dodge the sneak-attack that killed Jesse Ventura, but if he's got the shield he'd definately be able to block it. Even without the shield, if the Pred kills Jesse first and Cap spots it running away, he'd catch up and beat it down. His stats are better than the Predator's in every way other than reach, plus he's certainly displayed more skill. The Pred's shoulder cannon is far from the worst gun Cap's had to dodge fire from and I don't see the Pred managing to tag him with those wrist blades without a fair bit of luck.

Powerboy · 11-22-2009, 02:55 PM

With no foreknowledge of what he's up against, the predator will certainly get some of his men. Since this is a scenario and the predator for the most part picked people off one at a time, its possible the scenario could play out the same until the end. But once the predator takes Cap on one-on-one in a straight fight, it gets its ass kicked over teakettle. His speed is vastly superior. His durability and strength are at least close to its league. His agility is vastly greater. With his shield, he utterly curbstomps it. Without his shield, we can cut it some slack as Cap's fighting style is largely designed around his shield. Without it, its more of a fight but he still wins.

There is also the leadership factor. If these guys actually do what he tells them to do, its possible he won't lose anybody except whoever the Predator takes first by total surprise.

hoboboxerjoe · 11-22-2009, 08:57 PM

Cap would win because we know what he has fought. But remember folks, a single bullet ended all that.

Even though it looked like he knew it was coming...

Cap has senses above that of a normal man. Predator is still stronger, fight level is about equal, gadgets go to Predator. Do we know that the shield can repel the Predator's alloy? It could be something even sharper.

Cap CAN die in a battle with Predator, if only because he has to save his men first, that is his FIRST priority, always. That is how he got stuck in the Ice, but he survived.

Cap can win, hand-to-hand would be how it ends, they would push each other to the limits of both of their endurance. And Captain America would find a way, but if, IF that Predator got away, and waited for Cap to let his gaurd drop for one second, that could spell the end for him. If the Predator weren't honorable like his opponent.

It comes down to the heart in each of them, gentlemen. It is the fact that the Predator would NEED the fight to be on his terms of honor and battle, and Cap would understand it, anyone read Batman V.S Predator? Batman, dangerous as Cap if not moreso, nearly died, but won ultimately. I think this is what would happen here. But [I]never[I] count out the unexpected. This is not a script after all, or a plot device, this is not Cap has to win because he is Cap, this is a real battle. Anything goes.

Snake-eyes · 11-22-2009, 09:05 PM

There is nothing in the first film that puts the Predator's stats or skills even close to Captain America's.

As far as cutting the shield goes, Cap's shield > Adamantium and last I checked, there was nothing to indicate any of the Pred's weapons could damage adamantium.

PatchMadripoor · 11-22-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake-eyes

There is nothing in the first film that puts the Predator's stats or skills even close to Captain America's.

As far as cutting the shield goes, Cap's shield > Adamantium and last I checked, there was nothing to indicate any of the Pred's weapons could damage adamantium.

Based on Pred 2, the weapons are made of a metal not known to exist on the human periodic chart. It might be up there with adamantium.

P-38 · 11-22-2009, 09:46 PM

Not existing on the periodic chart does not at all indicate any comparison to adamantium. Predator metal might be better then normal metals, but it did not demonstrate anything on the level of adamantium.

jka12002 · 11-22-2009, 11:45 PM

"Mac!...MAAAAACCCCCC! *Capt karate chops Mac. QUIT WASTING BULLETS SOLDIER!"

Siriel · 11-22-2009, 11:55 PM

*Predator activates nuke*

Cap: "Dammit."

*BOOM*

'Course, the Predator dies too, but that's kind of the point.

Becoming An Anthropologist · 11-22-2009, 11:59 PM

It's funny how progressively more powerful predator got after each movie.
From being taken down by Dutch, to beating the snot out of Aliens....shesh take about a retcon of power levels.

Siriel · 11-23-2009, 12:00 AM

They handwaved it away with the fact that the one taken down by Dutch was basically a noob.

jka12002 · 11-23-2009, 12:02 AM

Well if thats the case, what would have happened if Dutch fought a fully trained veteran Predator. The outcome of the movie would have been very diffrent.

11-22-2009, 06:05 AM	#1
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11-22-2009, 11:55 PM	#12
Siriel Flawed Angel Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 35,095	Predator activates nuke Cap: "Dammit." BOOM 'Course, the Predator dies too, but that's kind of the point. __________________ Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are, death awaits you.

11-22-2009, 11:59 PM	#13
Becoming An Anthropologist Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,214	It's funny how progressively more powerful predator got after each movie. From being taken down by Dutch, to beating the snot out of Aliens....shesh take about a retcon of power levels. __________________ In the name of Justice I bid you good duck!:D

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Siriel Flawed Angel Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 35,095	They handwaved it away with the fact that the one taken down by Dutch was basically a noob. __________________ Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are, death awaits you.

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11-22-2009, 02:55 PM	#6
Powerboy Power with girl is better Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,795	With no foreknowledge of what he's up against, the predator will certainly get some of his men. Since this is a scenario and the predator for the most part picked people off one at a time, its possible the scenario could play out the same until the end. But once the predator takes Cap on one-on-one in a straight fight, it gets its ass kicked over teakettle. His speed is vastly superior. His durability and strength are at least close to its league. His agility is vastly greater. With his shield, he utterly curbstomps it. Without his shield, we can cut it some slack as Cap's fighting style is largely designed around his shield. Without it, its more of a fight but he still wins. There is also the leadership factor. If these guys actually do what he tells them to do, its possible he won't lose anybody except whoever the Predator takes first by total surprise.

11-22-2009, 08:57 PM	#7
hoboboxerjoe New Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 47	Cap would win because we know what he has fought. But remember folks, a single bullet ended all that. Even though it looked like he knew it was coming... Cap has senses above that of a normal man. Predator is still stronger, fight level is about equal, gadgets go to Predator. Do we know that the shield can repel the Predator's alloy? It could be something even sharper. Cap CAN die in a battle with Predator, if only because he has to save his men first, that is his FIRST priority, always. That is how he got stuck in the Ice, but he survived. Cap can win, hand-to-hand would be how it ends, they would push each other to the limits of both of their endurance. And Captain America would find a way, but if, IF that Predator got away, and waited for Cap to let his gaurd drop for one second, that could spell the end for him. If the Predator weren't honorable like his opponent. It comes down to the heart in each of them, gentlemen. It is the fact that the Predator would NEED the fight to be on his terms of honor and battle, and Cap would understand it, anyone read Batman V.S Predator? Batman, dangerous as Cap if not moreso, nearly died, but won ultimately. I think this is what would happen here. But [I]never[I] count out the unexpected. This is not a script after all, or a plot device, this is not Cap has to win because he is Cap, this is a real battle. Anything goes.

11-22-2009, 09:05 PM	#8
Snake-eyes Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 338	There is nothing in the first film that puts the Predator's stats or skills even close to Captain America's. As far as cutting the shield goes, Cap's shield > Adamantium and last I checked, there was nothing to indicate any of the Pred's weapons could damage adamantium.

11-22-2009, 09:46 PM	#10
P-38 New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 19	Not existing on the periodic chart does not at all indicate any comparison to adamantium. Predator metal might be better then normal metals, but it did not demonstrate anything on the level of adamantium.

11-22-2009, 11:45 PM	#11
jka12002 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 708	"Mac!...MAAAAACCCCCC! *Capt karate chops Mac. QUIT WASTING BULLETS SOLDIER!"

11-23-2009, 12:02 AM	#15
jka12002 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 708	Well if thats the case, what would have happened if Dutch fought a fully trained veteran Predator. The outcome of the movie would have been very diffrent.