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UrsaMajor · 11-10-2009, 10:42 AM

I'll be honest, I'm much more a fan of Marvel's WINTER GUARD than I have ever been a fan of the AVENGERS, but with the new WG one-shot (and maybe a series coming out), I got to wondering a couple of things ...

1) What Avengers enemy would make a good enemy for the Winter Guard? With the Avengers, it seems like many of their enemies are tied into the heroes backstories - Zemo, Ultron, Grim Reader, Loki - but other enemies like Dr. Doom, Mole Man, and Kang are a little more universal. Am I correct in that assessment?

2) I remember the WINTER GUARD was in a recent issue of MIGHTY AVENGERS, but I didn't get that issue. Did they have a big role to play?

3) Since Black Widow is Russian, do you think she belongs on the Avengers or the Winter Guard more?

That's all the questions I have.

Monty_Cristo · 11-10-2009, 10:56 AM

why are you asking on the Avengers board?

UrsaMajor · 11-10-2009, 10:57 AM

Black Widow is an Avengers character. The Winter Guard is often called the Russian Avengers. And the Winter Guard recently appeared in Mighty Avengers.

**mattbib** · 11-10-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by UrsaMajor

3) Since Black Widow is Russian, do you think she belongs on the Avengers or the Winter Guard more?

She's no longer a Russian citizen so I don't think she belongs on the Winter Guard. There's no vested interest.

That said, it brings up a question about Natasha's legal status. She's been a resident in the U.S. under an extended visa authorized by SHIELD. But with SHIELD now a non-entity, what's preventing Osborn from deporting her?

Monty_Cristo · 11-10-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by UrsaMajor

Black Widow is an Avengers character. The Winter Guard is often called the Russian Avengers. And the Winter Guard recently appeared in Mighty Avengers.

streeeeeeeeeeettttttttttccccchhhhhhh

rogerio · 11-10-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by UrsaMajor

I'll be honest, I'm much more a fan of Marvel's WINTER GUARD than I have ever been a fan of the AVENGERS, but with the new WG one-shot (and maybe a series coming out)

Fingers crossed. I am always interested in russian heroes.

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Originally Posted by UrsaMajor

1) What Avengers enemy would make a good enemy for the Winter Guard?

Let me see...
Avengers enemies:
Yellow Claw
HYDRA
Russian enemies:
Ivan Pushkin
Omega Red
Red Ghost

Azure · 11-10-2009, 11:40 AM

Excellent thread! I would like to see The Winter Guard take on Dr Doom and I'd like to see Black Widow return to Russia and legitimise the team, free them from the Government and lead them as an independant league of heroes.

rogerio · 11-12-2009, 08:26 AM

I really liked the prologue...

just got me more interested in this issue.

DavidGallaher · 11-14-2009, 07:13 AM

I really liked the prologue...

Glad you enjoyed it.

rogerio · 11-14-2009, 07:45 AM

Mr. Gallaher, do you have any interest in Black Widow?

Any chances to see HIGH MOON printed someday?

Thanks for Winter Guard!

DavidGallaher · 11-14-2009, 08:22 AM

Mr. Gallaher, do you have any interest in Black Widow?

Sure do. I think she is one of Marvel's best female characters -

Any chances to see HIGH MOON printed someday?

The first volume of HIGH MOON is in print now - it was released by DC / Zuda Comics in the states on September 30th. You can pick up a copy at your local comic shop, book store, or online vendor.

Charlotte DeBlr · 11-14-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Excellent thread! I would like to see The Winter Guard take on Dr Doom and I'd like to see Black Widow return to Russia and legitimise the team, free them from the Government and lead them as an independant league of heroes.

Goverment approval is still needed... cause while vigilaties (spelling? Russian is my mother tongue) might be approved, the Russians are a little bit against the team that is working as private enterprise, with no connection\legalisation whatsoever. And since Russia already has metahuman registry, the team being more like special ops is realistic other than bunch of vigilaties.

So...goverment sanctioned, but not goverment-controlled. Also it's hard to believe that despite Russia being 1\6th part of the land, a hefty percent of the members of the team is not from Russia itself by virtue of origin, but from other former soviet republics (Titanium Man is Ukrainian (though I don't know whether or not he's on current roster) and Vanguard is Belarusian, born in Minsk (shame his sister is dead, there goes a superhero I can identify with- female superhero from Minsk (even though poor Darkstar got the lamest name possible- Russians\Belarusians are NOT like the people from Iceland, we DON'T use our paternal names as surnames, but more like formal\middle names, so Laynia Petrovna=impossible name, Petrovna being paternal name (daughter of Peter)).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic#Russian
On the other hand, if Laynia Petrovna is what her American teammates use to call her , it might be misunderstanding akin to the popular Russian joke about Americans being confused about patronymics\surnames "Ivan the Terrible nicknamed Vasilevitch" (confusion between nickname and actual surname)- patronymics can sometimes be used as colloquial reference\nickname and thus mistaken for actual surname by the ignorant Americans.

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Ivan Sergeyevich Sidorov may be called 'Sergeich' or, more rarely, 'Sergeyevich', though such contractions are sometimes avoided as they tend to bring a shade of muzhik-style familiarity.

Guys on her own team might colloquially refer to Laynia as "Petrovna" (due to her being adopted by Piotr Phobos, and them being not classy guys in majority) and that became her surname\ operative pseudonim. Just like her brother, Vanguard, has different surname that the one of his biological father. But then, legally they're orphans adopted by goverment (IIRC) so they can have all the kinds of weird surnames.

Sorry for the long ass post, just trying to make sence of some unrealistic names other that more plausible Marvel not doing their research on the structure of the Russian names. But geez... cold war is over, and comics books are avaliable in former USSR. Marvel please give us (Russians\Belarusians) heroes whose names MAKE TEH DAMN SENSE.

Cthulhudrew · 11-14-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mattbib

That said, it brings up a question about Natasha's legal status. She's been a resident in the U.S. under an extended visa authorized by SHIELD. But with SHIELD now a non-entity, what's preventing Osborn from deporting her?

She hasn't been naturalized by now? You'd think she'd have taken the time to do something about that after all this time...

Back to the OPs question, I think Rogerio had some good suggestions. I could see the Red Ghost as being a major villain for them, particularly if he clings to his Communist leanings. I'd say the Gremlin or Gargoyle could be good villainous masterminds for them to fight, but they've both been dead so long I'm not sure there's a good reason to resurrect them.

Ivan Pushkin (head of the Russian mob from the Maverick series), and his superhuman cronies (Hammer and Sickle) could be good enemies. Particularly if Pushkin uses other superhuman operatives (sort of the Russian Justin Hammer). They've already got ties to the Red Guardian (if it's the same RG that's currently under the mask).

The Confessor from that series could also be a good foil and/or ally at times. The Doppelganger from X-Factor Annual #1 could be a good criminal scientist for them to square off against as well.

The more I think of it, the more I think it would be cool to have a Winter Guard series, set in Russia and dealing almost exclusively with the far side of the MU (as opposed to the US-centric nature of virtually all the rest of the Marvel lineup)

DavidGallaher · 11-14-2009, 05:41 PM

Russians\Belarusians are NOT like the people from Iceland, we DON'T use our paternal names as surnames, but more like formal\middle names, so Laynia Petrovna=impossible name, Petrovna being paternal name (daughter of Peter)).

Steve Ellis, who speaks fluent Russian and lived there for some time, and I have often talked about this. And on a technical linguistic level, you are absolutely correct about the surnames. And, I think it's important to be aware of this things - just as it is important to not drum up tired cliches about Russia and the Cold War.

Charlotte DeBlr · 11-15-2009, 02:23 AM

Well, I'm a native speaker and actual Belarusian resident (so I care for Darkstar a lot, as she's the only Marvel female superhero from Belarus). But...there's one way to make that make sense- using nicknames as operational pseudonyms (none of the Krylov siblings has their real surname (and if they're technically orphans, sometimes "state children" in Russian orphanages get all the kinds of weird surnames) , and while Vanguard, being seemingly more close to his real father from what it seems, went with surname resembling the one he should have got should he stay in the family, his sister, being more "lazy" went by nickname her Red Room colleagues gave her (and since patronymics CAN be used as nicknames, especially by uneducated guys from countryside ("glubinka") towards their female co-workers... revealing that "Petrovna" was just her patronymic by adoption later turned into nickname\operational pseudonym would be the only way to make sense and not turn that into "cranberry-fest" ("klukva", cranberry, is a colloquial in Russian for BS\stereotypical\somewhat offensive portrayals of Russia in Western fiction).

As an actual Russian, I can give you advice to boost attention to your comics in Eastern Europe. Ursa Major making on-panel joke about "Preved-medved" would be funny as hell IMO, and would be something Russian fans definitely will buy (I know, being a Russian-speaking resident of Eastern Europe and knowing the community of Russian comics fans from inside).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preved
FYR.

11-10-2009, 10:56 AM	#2
Monty_Cristo Anty-Hero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 20,332	why are you asking on the Avengers board? __________________ H.A.M.M.E.R (Hand's Amazing Mammaries Merit Extra Reinforcement) http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2...olt129_130.jpg

11-12-2009, 08:26 AM	#8
rogerio Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,573	I really liked the prologue... just got me more interested in this issue. __________________ uma vez Flamengo, sempre Flamengo!!!! http://shieldartwork.blogspot.com/ CBR: We also have the Black Widow, who many thought was the weakest link of the Mighty Avengers, stepping up and showing how formidable she really is. Andy Diggle: The new team leader is Yelena Belova, the "evil" Black Widow II. She's a bad-ass Russian agent with a chip on her shoulder. Very capable, very seductive, very deadly.

11-14-2009, 07:45 AM	#10
rogerio Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,573	Mr. Gallaher, do you have any interest in Black Widow? Any chances to see HIGH MOON printed someday? Thanks for Winter Guard! __________________ uma vez Flamengo, sempre Flamengo!!!! http://shieldartwork.blogspot.com/ CBR: We also have the Black Widow, who many thought was the weakest link of the Mighty Avengers, stepping up and showing how formidable she really is. Andy Diggle: The new team leader is Yelena Belova, the "evil" Black Widow II. She's a bad-ass Russian agent with a chip on her shoulder. Very capable, very seductive, very deadly.

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11-10-2009, 10:42 AM	#1
UrsaMajor BANNED Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 10	The Winter Guard vs. The Avengers I'll be honest, I'm much more a fan of Marvel's WINTER GUARD than I have ever been a fan of the AVENGERS, but with the new WG one-shot (and maybe a series coming out), I got to wondering a couple of things ... 1) What Avengers enemy would make a good enemy for the Winter Guard? With the Avengers, it seems like many of their enemies are tied into the heroes backstories - Zemo, Ultron, Grim Reader, Loki - but other enemies like Dr. Doom, Mole Man, and Kang are a little more universal. Am I correct in that assessment? 2) I remember the WINTER GUARD was in a recent issue of MIGHTY AVENGERS, but I didn't get that issue. Did they have a big role to play? 3) Since Black Widow is Russian, do you think she belongs on the Avengers or the Winter Guard more? That's all the questions I have.

11-10-2009, 10:57 AM	#3
UrsaMajor BANNED Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 10	Black Widow is an Avengers character. The Winter Guard is often called the Russian Avengers. And the Winter Guard recently appeared in Mighty Avengers.

11-10-2009, 11:40 AM	#7
Azure BANNED Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 5,011	Excellent thread! I would like to see The Winter Guard take on Dr Doom and I'd like to see Black Widow return to Russia and legitimise the team, free them from the Government and lead them as an independant league of heroes.

11-14-2009, 07:13 AM	#9
DavidGallaher Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 220	I really liked the prologue... Glad you enjoyed it.

11-14-2009, 08:22 AM	#11
DavidGallaher Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 220	Mr. Gallaher, do you have any interest in Black Widow? Sure do. I think she is one of Marvel's best female characters - Any chances to see HIGH MOON printed someday? The first volume of HIGH MOON is in print now - it was released by DC / Zuda Comics in the states on September 30th. You can pick up a copy at your local comic shop, book store, or online vendor.

11-14-2009, 05:41 PM	#14
DavidGallaher Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 220	Russians\Belarusians are NOT like the people from Iceland, we DON'T use our paternal names as surnames, but more like formal\middle names, so Laynia Petrovna=impossible name, Petrovna being paternal name (daughter of Peter)). Steve Ellis, who speaks fluent Russian and lived there for some time, and I have often talked about this. And on a technical linguistic level, you are absolutely correct about the surnames. And, I think it's important to be aware of this things - just as it is important to not drum up tired cliches about Russia and the Cold War.

11-15-2009, 02:23 AM	#15
Charlotte DeBlr New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 62	Well, I'm a native speaker and actual Belarusian resident (so I care for Darkstar a lot, as she's the only Marvel female superhero from Belarus). But...there's one way to make that make sense- using nicknames as operational pseudonyms (none of the Krylov siblings has their real surname (and if they're technically orphans, sometimes "state children" in Russian orphanages get all the kinds of weird surnames) , and while Vanguard, being seemingly more close to his real father from what it seems, went with surname resembling the one he should have got should he stay in the family, his sister, being more "lazy" went by nickname her Red Room colleagues gave her (and since patronymics CAN be used as nicknames, especially by uneducated guys from countryside ("glubinka") towards their female co-workers... revealing that "Petrovna" was just her patronymic by adoption later turned into nickname\operational pseudonym would be the only way to make sense and not turn that into "cranberry-fest" ("klukva", cranberry, is a colloquial in Russian for BS\stereotypical\somewhat offensive portrayals of Russia in Western fiction). As an actual Russian, I can give you advice to boost attention to your comics in Eastern Europe. Ursa Major making on-panel joke about "Preved-medved" would be funny as hell IMO, and would be something Russian fans definitely will buy (I know, being a Russian-speaking resident of Eastern Europe and knowing the community of Russian comics fans from inside). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preved FYR.