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jackolover · 09-11-2009, 05:02 AM

I thought nobody could top Warren Ellis doing a book about bad guys, or, how to make bad guys look like monsters, but Andy Diggle did all that in this book. This was the most diabolical Dark Reign book of the bunch so far, and fits into a category all it's own, because of it. The duplicity, the wanton sadism, the twist and turns. I'm not really sure what I see is happening in the book. See that cover with Fury pointing the gun at Osborn. That doesn't happen the way it looks. At least I'm not sure what happens on the last page at all.

I thought I'd seen it all, in TBolts, with Ant Man and Paladan, but these two reach great depths in this book. They have two women at their mercy, this troop of 6 men, and they play them by dangling them throughout the story until they reel them in and torture them.

This is how it goes:

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Mellissa and Natalia have crashed in a forest, and Mr X catches up with them. Ant Man has been with them the whole timew and has been ratting on them. Songbird blasts Mr X and Ghost sends the girls away one way and the TBolts another. Nat calls Fury to meet them at Yankee Stadium, and Ant Man tells Norman where they are. The girls meet Fury inside a hidden secret fortress, but Osborn blasts his way in, captures the 3 and beats the living daylights out of Fury and then Osborn kills him with 3 shots to the head. Then Osborn wants the boys to cut off Mellissas head, and film it so he can wackoff in private watching it. Osborn tortures Natalia by telling her Norman was posing as Fury the whole time he set her up as a TBolt. They get ready to cut Mellisas head off

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All the other TBolts books you can throw away, but this book, if Diggle stays with this, this will be a milestone in story telling. It made me sick reading it.

Bevbos · 09-11-2009, 06:06 AM

Another great issue, but I have to ask: how does this square continuity-wise with Captain America: Reborn? It seems like a pretty big editorial oversight, unless I'm a moran (which I often am).

Dog · 09-11-2009, 06:14 AM

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So Fury's... dead?

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The Cool Thatguy · 09-11-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dog

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So Fury's... dead?

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Would you be interested in buying some key bridges? ;)

Jimmy Holograph · 09-11-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevbos

Another great issue, but I have to ask: how does this square continuity-wise with Captain America: Reborn? It seems like a pretty big editorial oversight, unless I'm a moran (which I often am).

I've given up now honestly. This the 3rd (4th if you include Secret Warriors) time, in three different books, within the same month, that Natasha has been captured by HAMMER and every time its been treated as if its the first time. Editors maybe should actually do their jobs for once.

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Originally Posted by Dog

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So Fury's... dead?

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Fury's obviously a L.M.D. No way Nick gets outmanoeuvred by Osborn.

Sean Walsh · 09-11-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jackolover

It made me sick reading it.

I wasn't really expecting Dark Reign to do this (for some dumb reason) but it really is getting sickening to read certain books.

People complain about DC being too dark, but............Jesus, Osborn wanting to film a woman's slow execution so he can dork off to it later? That's disgusting and turns me off to wanting to reasd THUNDERBOLTS ever again...

jackolover · 09-11-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Holograph

I've given up now honestly. This the 3rd (4th if you include Secret Warriors) time, in three different books, within the same month, that Natasha has been captured by HAMMER and every time its been treated as if its the first time. Editors maybe should actually do their jobs for once..

Iron Man, BW captured by HAMMER. TBolts, BW Captured by HAMMER. Reborn, BW Captured by..... yeah you get it.

Everything has be after TBolts, at Yankey Stadium is resolved.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Holograph

Fury's obviously a L.M.D. No way Nick gets outmanoeuvred by Osborn.

That's got to be it. Didn't they just do this recently already? I remember someone looking down at the wires coming out of it's head.

coconutphone · 09-11-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Walsh

I wasn't really expecting Dark Reign to do this (for some dumb reason) but it really is getting sickening to read certain books.

People complain about DC being too dark, but............Jesus, Osborn wanting to film a woman's slow execution so he can dork off to it later? That's disgusting and turns me off to wanting to reasd THUNDERBOLTS ever again...

I'm sorry but doens't your avatar feature somethig going thorugh a guy's head?

Yeah it's dark and disturbing but this is a post Ellis Thunderbolts book. It's supposed to be disturbing. That means he's doing his job and wigging you out.

Norman Osborne's a psychopath. Film at 11.

Ratwedge · 09-11-2009, 07:15 AM

Black Widow got captured again? Seriously? Thats what. Reborn, Ironman and now Thunderbolts? Where is she gonna be captured next?

XPac · 09-11-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratwedge

Black Widow got captured again? Seriously? Thats what. Reborn, Ironman and now Thunderbolts? Where is she gonna be captured next?

Funny, I said the exact same thing in a different thread.

Unless this is all part of some elaborate scheme on Furys part (which is entirely possible given how this books works), she's really off her game in recent months. She might as well save herself time and just move into one of Osborns cells.

Just a Shadow · 09-11-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by XPac

Funny, I said the exact same thing in a different thread.

Unless this is all part of some elaborate scheme on Furys part (which is entirely possible given how this books works), she's really off her game in recent months. She might as well save herself time and just move into one of Osborns cells.

Wouldn't it be something if most/all of the captures are actually LMD's?

NewMutant · 09-11-2009, 09:15 AM

I love the Thunderbolts.

They are really setting up Songbird to be one of Osborn's big ticks similar (but on a smaller scale) to Spider-Man.

I would love to see a team of Songbird, Nick Fury, Emma Frost, Spider-Man, and Hawkeye/Ronin take down Osborn at the end of DR.

rogerio · 09-11-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Holograph

I've given up now honestly. This the 3rd (4th if you include Secret Warriors) time, in three different books, within the same month, that Natasha has been captured by HAMMER and every time its been treated as if its the first time. Editors maybe should actually do their jobs for once.
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Totally agree. This is becoming ridiculous...

and if you have noticed, she was caged with her bracelets...

XPac · 09-11-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Just a Shadow

Wouldn't it be something if most/all of the captures are actually LMD's?

I think it's a possibility at least for the TBolt Natasha.

Gitaroo_Dude · 09-11-2009, 10:09 AM

This is the second time since ASM where an issue ends with Osborn putting a bullet in someone's head. Not really compelling anymore, is it?

Gotta say though, Diggle's TBolts is probably the only book that I can read in about 10 minutes and not complain. Great pacing and some truly evil character work. Mr. X is still annoying but I'm loving Scourge and of course Osborn.

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NewMutant I know stuff... Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,527	I love the Thunderbolts. They are really setting up Songbird to be one of Osborn's big ticks similar (but on a smaller scale) to Spider-Man. I would love to see a team of Songbird, Nick Fury, Emma Frost, Spider-Man, and Hawkeye/Ronin take down Osborn at the end of DR. __________________ Haven't you heard? We're the X-Men... Nobody's on our side.

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09-11-2009, 06:06 AM	#2
Bevbos Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 657	Another great issue, but I have to ask: how does this square continuity-wise with Captain America: Reborn? It seems like a pretty big editorial oversight, unless I'm a moran (which I often am).

09-11-2009, 07:15 AM	#9
Ratwedge Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 371	Black Widow got captured again? Seriously? Thats what. Reborn, Ironman and now Thunderbolts? Where is she gonna be captured next?

09-11-2009, 10:09 AM	#15
Gitaroo_Dude Doesn't Socialize Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,924	This is the second time since ASM where an issue ends with Osborn putting a bullet in someone's head. Not really compelling anymore, is it? Gotta say though, Diggle's TBolts is probably the only book that I can read in about 10 minutes and not complain. Great pacing and some truly evil character work. Mr. X is still annoying but I'm loving Scourge and of course Osborn.