One way to let the readers vote with their wallets

[Farmernudie]

I honestly think they should publish a choice in spidey comics....then we could see by people voting with their wallets, which direction is preferred. Since Marvel doesn't value letters or online opinions or polls, let them value our choice thru money!

One, they could keep publishing this alternate history SINGLE groovy petey boy.

Two, regular history, MARRIED, where Pete shoved his foot deep up the devil's heiney.

Throw great talent at both books, and see what people want, give us a choice, that way many of us fans who feel 616 spidey isn't appearing in any comics of marvel's currently could still buy and read regular continuity, while others happy with a world with alternate history and single Pete can be happy too.

I dare Marvel to let the CUSTOMERS choose what type of Spidey they want!

[Mister Mets]

Originally Posted by Farmernudie

I honestly think they should publish a choice in spidey comics....then we could see by people voting with their wallets, which direction is preferred. Since Marvel doesn't value letters or online opinions or polls, let them value our choice thru money!

One, they could keep publishing this alternate history SINGLE groovy petey boy.

Two, regular history, MARRIED, where Pete shoved his foot deep up the devil's heiney.

Throw great talent at both books, and see what people want, give us a choice, that way many of us fans who feel 616 spidey isn't appearing in any comics of marvel's currently could still buy and read regular continuity, while others happy with a world with alternate history and single Pete can be happy too.

I dare Marvel to let the CUSTOMERS choose what type of Spidey they want!

I thought this was a compelling prospect, which merited its own thread.

However, the experiment comes with significant disadvantages. In order to get a truly equal playing field, Marvel would want to establish that both storylines may be "real" within the Marvel Universe, meaning that neither can have much of an impact on the other titles (you couldn't have something like J Jonah Jameson becoming mayor of the Marvel Universe during the trial period.) It wouldn't make sense to have one title show what would have happened if Peter and MJ had kicked Mephisto to the curb, as the title would have the immediate disadvantage of losing a sense of legitimacy within the Marvel Universe, where Peter is single and BND happened.

No matter who wins you'd have the other side declaring shenanigans for whatever reason, such as the criteria for measuring sales (would the experiment last long enough to measure TPB sales?), the creative teams involved (as a breakout artist/ writer could contribute to increased sales) and the "A" storylines, usually separate from the issue of whether or not Spider-Man is married.

Plus, what works best in the short term may not be effective in the long term.

[yadadaimhollaing]

Originally Posted by Farmernudie

One, they could keep publishing this alternate history SINGLE groovy petey boy.

Two, regular history, MARRIED, where Pete shoved his foot deep up the devil's heiney.

Throw great talent at both books, and see what people want, give us a choice, that way many of us fans who feel 616 spidey isn't appearing in any comics of marvel's currently could still buy and read regular continuity, while others happy with a world with alternate history and single Pete can be happy too.

Uh the spiderman that's in asm is the regular spidey. Sorry that you don't like it but there is no alternate spidey unless you're reading spidergirl.

[HULKquist]

Which Spider-Man is in the NA? Which one is involved in the Marvel Universe at large? It's an interesting proposition. I'd say Marvel ought to do a retro miniseries highlighting the marriage to gauge its popularity though.

[mattspideyrocks!]

Originally Posted by Farmernudie

I honestly think they should publish a choice in spidey comics....then we could see by people voting with their wallets, which direction is preferred. Since Marvel doesn't value letters or online opinions or polls, let them value our choice thru money!

One, they could keep publishing this alternate history SINGLE groovy petey boy.

Two, regular history, MARRIED, where Pete shoved his foot deep up the devil's heiney.

Throw great talent at both books, and see what people want, give us a choice, that way many of us fans who feel 616 spidey isn't appearing in any comics of marvel's currently could still buy and read regular continuity, while others happy with a world with alternate history and single Pete can be happy too.

I dare Marvel to let the CUSTOMERS choose what type of Spidey they want!

If you honestly think it should be that way then it should have been that way all along because there have always been changes. So why just start now? This can't be the first time in Spidey history where people weren't happy with a change. How about just deal with it? The books are actually really good right now. If you can just look over one bad story decision which happened almost 2 years ago, you're gold.

And by the way, in a way something like this was already done. It was called the clone sage. We don't really want anything remotely like that again do we? :rolleyes:

[Jim Thompson]

Originally Posted by yadadaimhollaing

Uh the spiderman that's in asm is the regular spidey. Sorry that you don't like it but there is no alternate spidey unless you're reading spidergirl.

You've sparked a thought!

One of the lines I remember reading in Avengers Forever was this one, from Kang:

"Time travel does not change the past -- as I trust you've learned.

"If one alters the flow of events, it merely creates a new, divergent (emphasis theirs) branch of the timestream, while the old one flows on." Avengers Forever #3

Based on that kind of thinking, the Spider-Man in the current books likely is one from a divergent reality -- at least if they are following that reasoning (which may or may not be the case.)

Anyway, in regards to the thread not buying the book strikes me as being the best way to express to Marvel one is unhappy and/or dis-satisfied with what's being done with the character. Rants are fun to listen to sometimes, but only a drop in cash flow might induce a change in approach.

[whiteshark]

First of all,the Spider-Man showing in the Marvel titles is the regular Spider-Man set in the regular continuity that Marvel is using in the stories.
I am sorry do see that a story that hapened over two years is still clouding the judgment of some people but the Spider-Man apearing in the stories is the regular Spider-Man,and the fact that some people dont like the stories in a comic book doesnt make those stories as not the regular Spider-Man.
I dont like the idea as well,because i think the direction of stories should just go in one direction,twenty years ago the character got maried and the stories had Peter Parker and Mary Jane set as being maried.
Now Peter Parker is single,and the character should be set as being single,dividing the direction of stories in two diferent directions would divide to much the regular continuity.

[whiteshark]

Originally Posted by Jim Thompson

You've sparked a thought!

One of the lines I remember reading in Avengers Forever was this one, from Kang:



Based on that kind of thinking, the Spider-Man in the current books likely is one from a divergent reality -- at least if they are following that reasoning (which may or may not be the case.)

Anyway, in regards to the thread not buying the book strikes me as being the best way to express to Marvel one is unhappy and/or dis-satisfied with what's being done with the character. Rants are fun to listen to sometimes, but only a drop in cash flow might induce a change in approach.

Welcome back to the Spider-Man forum.

[oldschool]

I find this to be a very interesting notion and one worth exploring. I would, however, stop short of declaring this to be way for fans to "vote" for their preferred Spidey. Firstly, why not have both (as was the original goal of the clone saga) and secondly, the creative teams would certainly have a lot to do with which book sells better and so the results would hardly prove conclusive when one looks at sales alone. Lastly, I think Marvel wants one "616" version of their characters and the Ultimate universe and minis flesh out the other versions; I don't see them further muddying the waters with 2 versions of the "616" universe. But....I like the idea and though it likely will not come to pass it is certainly intriquing.

[Jim Thompson]

Originally Posted by whiteshark

I don't like the idea as well,because i think the direction of stories should just go in one direction,twenty years ago the character got married and the stories had Peter Parker and Mary Jane set as being married. Now Peter Parker is single,and the character should be set as being single,dividing the direction of stories in two different directions would divide to much the regular continuity.

You've nicely outlined one of the inherent weaknesses of the approach Marvel used to re-set their flagship character, I think.

[spiderman_rj]

why dont you vote now, and stop buying it, or reading without paying and complaining about it in the forums ? i'm sure they will hear you this way.

[Jim Thompson]

Originally Posted by spiderman_rj

why dont you vote now, and stop buying it, or reading without paying and complaining about it in the forums ? i'm sure they will hear you this way.

I'm not buying/reading it at the moment -- and I haven't been talking about any of the current stories. Your ire here seems somewhat misplaced.

[whiteshark]

Originally Posted by Jim Thompson

You've nicely outlined one of the inherent weaknesses of the approach Marvel used to re-set their flagship character, I think.

I respectfully disagree, changing the status quo of the character from married to single is just as good at least as re seting the character from single to married twenty years ago. The changes that those two events had for Spider-Man have about the same weight,story wise speaking i think.

[Jim Thompson]

Originally Posted by whiteshark

I respectfully disagree, changing the status quo of the character from married to single is just as good at least as re seting the character from single to married twenty years ago. The changes that those two events had for Spider-Man have about the same weight,story wise speaking i think.

I don't disagree that making the character single again brings a freshness to the character that has a lot of potential benefits. All I'm saying is the manner they decided to use to make the character single again strikes me as being a bad one, as it opened the door for speculation in a multitude of areas, such as whether or not the character people are currently reading about is existing in an alternate/divergent reality or not.

[whiteshark]

Originally Posted by Jim Thompson

I don't disagree that making the character single again brings a freshness to the character that has a lot of potential benefits.

Agreed.
Making the character single brings a freshness to the stories,at least the same that when Peter Parker maried twenty years ago in the stories

Originally Posted by Jim Thompson

All I'm saying is the manner they decided to use to make the character single again strikes me as being a bad one, as it opened the door for speculation in a multitude of areas, such as whether or not the character people are currently reading about is existing in an alternate/divergent reality or not.

I see your point.
I for once think that Spider-Man is existing in the same reality as all other Marvel super heroes,just because it was never said in the stories that Spider-Man is apearing in a alternate reality,so if it is not said in the stories that a diferent reality is apearing in ASM then i am sure that the reality that all Marvel super heroes in the regular Marvel Universe are apearing is the same.