Cell Saga SS2 Gohan Vs Majin Vegeta

[Smokey17]

I was always curious about this Battle. I remember Vegeta being Pissed during the Dabura/Gohan fight and commented that Gohan was weaker and didn't train in the years off.

Now i'm Curious if we had a Fight with a Fresh SS2 Gohan vs Majin Vegeta who is pretty much equal to the SS2 level.

How does the fight go?

[The Once And Forever]

Vegeta.

Overall, he's a much better fighter than Gohan ever was.

[Siriel]

Manga-wise, Teen Gohan's got massively better feats.

[Guts/Batman]

Originally Posted by The Once And Forever

Vegeta.

Overall, he's a much better fighter than Gohan ever was.

Of course, because Gohan never had a warrior mindset the way Goku and Vegeta did. Dragon Ball Z isn't necessarily where skills as a fighter really mattered though, because the being that was more powerful always won in DBZ. Dragon Ball was the series where fighting skill mattered more than power level.

That being said, Gohan always has a mental hurdle that I think comes damned close to CIS. In a series where confidence level did actively effect a character's overall power level, it goes beyond PIS, I think, especially in the case of a basket-case like Gohan. Taking Gohan out of his psychological comfort zone would be a legitimate tactic for Vegeta if he can survive the initial blitz.

I haven't read the Cell Games saga in a quite a long time, but I do remember him one shotting the little Cells effortlessly. Granted, Majin Vegeta was going up against much,much more powerful opponents (Goku and Fat Majin Buu). It's actually pretty debatable how effective Vegeta was doing against Goku in the fight.

[Siriel]

Originally Posted by Guts/Batman

That being said, Gohan always has a mental hurdle that I think comes damned close to CIS. In a series where confidence level did actively effect a character's overall power level, it goes beyond PIS, I think, especially in the case of a basket-case like Gohan. Taking Gohan out of his psychological comfort zone would be a legitimate tactic for Vegeta if he can survive the initial blitz.

This is SSJ2 Teen Gohan though. In a bloodlusted state, I can't see him listening.
Even whitout bloodlust, he totally ignored Goku.

Originally Posted by Guts/Batman

I haven't read the Cell Games saga in a quite a long time, but I do remember him one shotting the little Cells effortlessly.

Forget the Cell Juniors, he defeated Perfect Cell in two hits.

[GrampaGen]

If it comes to energy slinging, Gohan wins by feats.

In fisticuffs, I'd have to give it to Vegeta.

Factoring in CIS, that Vegeta is more than willing to dash in and beat the crap out of anybody in a rage, and Gohan when righteously pissed becomes a sadistic little twerp that takes his time dissecting his enemies, I'd say Vegeta wins handily if he takes the initiative.

[Saitou Hajime]

SSJ2 Goku was stated to be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, and Majin Vegeta is his equal, so Majin Vegeta is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.

[The Once And Forever]

Forget the Cell Juniors, he defeated Perfect Cell in two hits.

Greatest...Combo...Ever...

[Guy1]

Originally Posted by Siriel

This is SSJ2 Teen Gohan though. In a bloodlusted state, I can't see him listening.
Even whitout bloodlust, he totally ignored Goku.

Forget the Cell Juniors, he defeated Perfect Cell in two hits.

Goku: "Gohan! Kill him now while you have the chance!"
Gohan: "Screw that, I want to torture him for awhile longer."

[Siriel]

Originally Posted by Saitou Hajime

SSJ2 Goku was stated to be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, and Majin Vegeta is his equal, so Majin Vegeta is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.

Yeah, statements don't mean anything when Gohan has the better feats. (Once again, I'm going by the manga)

[GrampaGen]

Originally Posted by Guy1

Goku: "Gohan! Kill him now while you have the chance!"
Gohan: "Screw that, I want to torture him for awhile longer."

I like to think he was still more than a little sore (har har) about Goku giving Cell the senzu bean, that dick.

[GrampaGen]

Originally Posted by Siriel

Yeah, statements don't mean anything when Gohan has the better feats. (Once again, I'm going by the manga)

He also didn't fight anybody that was his equal until Dabura.

Sure, he has the superior feats...at beating people that are far weaker than him. Besides the Kamehameha, I can't think of many other superior feats Gohan has over Vegeta.

[Guts/Batman]

Originally Posted by Siriel

This is SSJ2 Teen Gohan though. In a bloodlusted state, I can't see him listening.
Even whitout bloodlust, he totally ignored Goku.

That's because he believed he was actually as powerful as he was. He was bloodlusted in the Cell Games fight where he delivered those punches to Cell. His confidence level was definitely shot down when Cell came back as Super Perfect Cell. This can change in the fight though. Vegeta just has to survive the speedblitz enough to cause doubt within.Gohan's mind, then the tactic could be used. Seeing how as he was surviving Goku's, who was much more powerful than even Super Perfect Cell, speedblitzes shows that he could at least do that much. Now the question of how much far beyond SPC SSJ2 Majin Vegeta is is what has to be answered.

Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan is a beast of a two sided coin, the incredibly powerful yet arrogant fighter or the unconfident fighter whose power level actually drops because he doesn't actually believe in his own power. Bloodlust wouldn't help the latter because he still wouldn't be able to access that power that he had while confident of his abilities.

Forget the Cell Juniors, he defeated Perfect Cell in two hits.

Yes, the two punches caused Cell to vomit 18, if you will.

[GrampaGen]

Vegeta should be able to survive a blitz - if he indeed does get blitzed at all - from Gohan quite well.

I mean, his major feats in the Buu saga as SSJ2 basically boil down to 'taking thrashings from Buu and not dying, twice'. Not to mention he put up a pretty good fight against Fat Buu directly after facing down Goku in relatively quick succession.

[Guts/Batman]

Originally Posted by GrampaGen

Vegeta should be able to survive a blitz - if he indeed does get blitzed at all - from Gohan quite well.

Gohan should be speedblitzing. That would be PIS on Gohan's part. For Gohan to start with a beam attack like the Kamehameha waves would be unintelligent because it would open up a speedblitz opportunity for Vegeta

I mean, his major feats in the Buu saga as SSJ2 basically boil down to 'taking thrashings from Buu and not dying, twice'. Not to mention he put up a pretty good fight against Fat Buu directly after facing down Goku in relatively quick succession.

The Senzu bean plot device doesn't help Vegeta fighting two hard fights in succession feat.