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Old 08-12-2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default Claremont's notes about X-Men Forever (There may be spoilers)

Chris Claremont regularly posts at comixfan, maybe one day we will have the chance to see him here, but for now we'll simply do a separate thread to talk about those notes. Most of the ones in this first post were writen in the days preceding the publication of X-Men Forever #5. Given the particular nature of the issue, i think it is better to post it here this way.
And so we start:

Dear Marty --

I might point out that issue's 2-5 occur within a 6-12 hour space of time and #6 follows on less than a day later, so the moment(s) when the X-Men can pause and catch their breath and perhaps review all these points that have been raised, for example re Sabes, haven't yet occured. At the moment, off-panel suppositions are simply that, lots of fun spiballing off-panel. I agree wholeheartedly: I may consider my own thoughts true re characters and situations, but they don't become canonical until they're in print. (And of course, "canonical" applies only to the XMF continuity, not "Uncanny" and the other 616 titles, and vice-versa, but those are mere technicalities.)

Then, you can yell.

Until then, though, hypothesize to your hearts' delight!

(Technical notes -- I'll be signing Tuesday night at Barnes & Noble on Manhattan's upper East Side, in conjunction with Marvel's 70's Anniversary -- at 150 East 86th Street, from 7pm -> 9pm.

(And also, signing later this week -- Thursday, I think -- at Night Flight, in Salt Lake City. Check with the store for specifics. Since #5 is out this Thursday, I'm sure anyone who reads it will have comments galore. I'll be sure to listen.)

Cordially,

Chris Claremont

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About Tessa (That some may know as Sage. But don't forget that X-Treme is not a part of the Forever continuity):

Dear Zonzorp --

Whatever gives you that idea? She has quite a full history, you readers just haven't learned it yet. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that particular aspect of her life (namely her history) begin to be addressed before the end of this year.

Cordially,

Chris Claremont
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Dear Zon --

On the other hand, that could be said to be one of the necessary realities of working deep cover. (Also, please forgive me -- although I suspect you'll feel like I'm simply throwing brickbats -- but I'm afraid a slightly miss-typed earlier. For some reason, every time you mentioned Sage, I read it as Rogue -- talk about demented! The brain and I really have to have a serious talk, if I could remember where it lives! Which means I'm afraid that it'll be Rogue who's the focus of attention late in this year, while Sage continues to haunt the wings. Again, my sincere apologies for the miss-step.)

Cordially,

Chris Claremont
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Dear Vince --

The person to petition, and persuade, is editor Mark Paniccia. (That said, the more copies we sell, the better the sales; the better the sales, the better the chance the series will stick around; the longer the series sticks around, the more likely, as in certain, readers will see the characters they treasure join in the collective fun-&-games. Simple, but ruthless equation.)

Cordially,

Chris Claremont

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Dear Mike --

The death of Thunderbird was presented in UXM #95, which started life as Giant Sized X-Men #2. The original story was the conception of series creators Len Wein and Dave Cockrum; however, when Marvel reconfigured the series from quarterly to bi-monthly and GSXM #2 became #'s 94 & 95, Len had passed on the series to me, so Dave and I restructured it to fir the new structure. At that point, I'm not altogether sure John was even working for Marvel, although to be honest that could just be my own faulty memory. Either way, the active creative decision re the fate of T'bird was Len's, because at that point it was his book.

Hope this helps,

Chris Claremont
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Folks --

The thing to bear in mind here is context. Forever picks up essentially right where I left off with Uncanny & X-Men. Therefore, the context of the series now is as it was then. Everything that was established about the characters subsequent to that point simply hasn't happened yet -- including material that I wrote in Uncanny and X-treme, even if I liked it (quite a lot of which I actually did) -- and therefore does not exist.

Re Sage specifically, she remains very much a mystery to our heroes. We may think we know the truth -- well, in fact, I do know the truth but let's leave that aside for now -- but they do not. They learn as they go. Same goes for what everyone knows -- or thinks they know -- about Rogue and Gambit, and it seems apparently, about Storm. And, as you'll see come Wednesday, this may be just the tip of what could turn out to be a structurally significant iceberg.

Some of this stuff will simply have to be taken on faith -- you may think you know the characters, and you may well turn out to be right, but I reserve the right to try my best to surprise (infuriate / delight) you along the way, to keep you fascinated and always guessing / on your toes and, ideally, coming enthusiastically, eagerly back for more. The characters are in the process of learning that nothing in their lives can be taken for granted; the question they now face, is what are they going to do about that?

But here's my overall point -- for better or worse, regardless of how you feel, I'm here. You have direct access to a Source. Not an Editor, not the flack, but the guy responsible for setting all this in motion. If you have a case to make, pro or con, this is as close as you're likely to get to a direct link -- why not make use of it? Persuade me different, and at the same time allow me the opportunity to persuade you. It may be more of an egocentric thrill to toss one-line brick-bats and make like a Fox-News cliche as some are wont to do on other sites -- and if that's your choice, by all means, go have some fun -- but if you're willing to enter into the classic, cliche free and forthcoming exchange of ideas, and perhaps try to change the creator's mind, or even toss him a better idea, why not give it a try? Might even be fun. Who knows, then you can look at XMF issues to come and think, I maybe had a hand in the genesis or evolution of that concept and/or character. At the very least, you will have been part of the overall process.

Bitching is easy, playing -- while occasionally infuriating, trust me -- can be a whole lot more fun.

End of rant.
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Dear Vince:

To say that door is always / has always been open is so profound a cliche I won't bother to repeat it. Except, of course, I already have, sigh! I can only pester Alan so many times, I value him far too much as a friend, and enjoy him far too much as both colleague and audience. Whenever he wants, whatever he wants to do, all he has to do is let me know. Meantime, I, like you, eagerly await whatever he has planned next of his own.

Re Freedom Force -- like the name a whole lot, and the concept, but those guys are getting a bit old. And reality may be setting into their lives. You'll just have to wait and see. Unlikely, in 2009. What happens in 2010 depends on '09 sales. I'm doing all I can; the rest, as they say, is up to you folks.

(BTW -- just to repeat myself, anyone in the vicinity of the 86th Street Barnes & Noble tonight can find me and Joe Q and Klaus Janson and others signing from 7-9pm in conjunction with Marvel's 70th Anniversary. Come on by and say hi!

(And this weekend, for those in the vicinity of Salt Lake, I'll be signing at Night Flight. Check with them for details. I show colored previews of Paul & Terry's XMF #6, which is gorgeous! And even, gasp, answer questions. Hope to see you there, if you're from those parts!)

Hope this helps,

Chris Claremont
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Dear David --

Logan will be back, in a manner of speaking, in #7. On the other hand, I'd like Walter Cronkite to be back, too, but that isn't likely to happen. The X-Men -- and you -- will simply have to get used to this aspect of reality. It happens. (On the other hand, there's always 616 Hudnall, he'll likely be around forever.)

Cordially,

Chris Claremont
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Dear David --

I would hazard that by year's end -- figure, the end of the first two arcs, which essentially cover the rough-&-tumble first night of this series and the immediate aftermath, culminating in you-know-who's funeral -- you'll see more than enough revelations and surprises to keep characters, stories and (hopefully -- and yes, I know I'm pushing) readers intrigued, and coming back for more, for quite some time. There's certainly more than enough to keep me going. The trick will be to keep you all guessing and then gamble that the payoff is both satisfying and in its own way equally challenging -- as in, where the devil do they plan on going from there? For me, the event is merely the means to the end -- what this series has always been about, what it should always be about, is the lives of the participant.

It's a school, on a big body of water, with a crusty headmaster and loads of mysteries, and we're following the lives of the students as they grow. Complete with Celtic legends and a plethora of English accents. Can't imagine what made me think in those terms ...

Cordially,

Chris Claremont
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:06 AM   #2
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:58 AM   #3
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I just finished Essential Vol 9 and I'm actually looking forward to picking up the collection of X-Men Forever when it's out.

Claremont's 80s work is just amazing, it'll be interesting to see what he would do given free reign.
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I think it'd help in some of these cases if we saw the other half of the conversation.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:09 AM   #5
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I think it'd help in some of these cases if we saw the other half of the conversation.
Maybe in the future.
Here with all the different posts i pasted at once it would have brought some confusion.
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About Tessa (That some may know as Sage. But don't forget that X-Treme is not a part of the Forever continuity):

[I]Dear Zonzorp --

Whatever gives you that idea? She has quite a full history, you readers just haven't learned it yet. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that particular aspect of her life (namely her history) begin to be addressed before the end of this year.

Cordially,

Chris Claremont
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Dear Zon --

Which means I'm afraid that it'll be Rogue who's the focus of attention late in this year, while Sage continues to haunt the wings. Again, my sincere apologies for the miss-step.)

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Old 08-12-2009, 11:26 AM   #7
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Maybe in the future.
Here with all the different posts i pasted at once it would have brought some confusion.
Maybe if you knew how to do a screen shot, it'd help you save some time copying and pasting.

Like this.



Do you know how to do these, Stephane?
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I know. :)
Thats an idea, but it doesnt work if the posts are too long and put it on my photobucket account would take even more time.
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I know. :)
Thats an idea, but it doesnt work if the posts are too long and put it on my photobucket account would take even more time.
it not worth it. You would put in all that hard work and your beautifully crafted thread would be destroyed by negative vibes.

Anyways, I appreciate what you do.
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I know. :)
Thats an idea, but it doesnt work if the posts are too long and put it on my photobucket account would take even more time.
Excuses, excuses. And I know for a fact that Comixfan is not that wide. They haven't updated their forums since 2001.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:40 AM   #11
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RE: Our discussion in the review thread.

Your assertation that he is saying the concept of this book is "X-Men if he'd never left" and that includes being able to rewrite the ending of the Muir Island Saga simply doesn't hold up with these quotes you've posted.

My argument is that the concept of this book is X-Men 4, IE everything that saw print before, X-Men 1-3, Muir Island Saga, are in continuity, and he moves forward from that point. My argument is supported by this statement:
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I agree wholeheartedly: I may consider my own thoughts true re characters and situations, but they don't become canonical until they're in print.
Uncanny 278-280 saw print. Therefore they are in-continuity, and the events therein should be respected.

I suspect you are backing your argument with these statements:
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(And of course, "canonical" applies only to the XMF continuity, not "Uncanny" and the other 616 titles, and vice-versa, but those are mere technicalities.)
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Forever picks up essentially right where I left off with Uncanny & X-Men. Therefore, the context of the series now is as it was then. Everything that was established about the characters subsequent to that point simply hasn't happened yet -- including material that I wrote in Uncanny and X-treme, even if I liked it (quite a lot of which I actually did) -- and therefore does not exist.
These statements do not mean that issues of Uncanny prior to X-Men 1-3 that he didn't write are fair game, this means that stuff that saw print after X-Men 1-3 do not apply, including his second and third runs on Uncanny, and X-Treme X-Men. Uncanny X-Men 1-280 are in continuity, and X-Men 1-3 are in continuity. Uncanny 281+ and X-Men 4+ and everything else beyond that point are gone.

Specific events occured in 280 that he has retconned in order to support the big revelation in Forever 5. It is a retcon, period. It isn't fair game under the concept of the book. He made a change---and whats more, he didn't even need to make the change in order to make this revelation in the issue. The two things don't need to be connected, but he did it anyway.
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So far, I have enjoyed X-men forever and would like to see it continue through 2010. There´s so much to tell.
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Keith: I am not reffering to what i quoted here but to things Claremont said in the last two months.
If you really want i can look for it and post it here, but you're giving me work.
Meh.
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Here it is:http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/...3&postcount=65
june 18, 2009
Okay -- for clarification to One & All -- the continuity of "Uncanny" runs from #94->279, ending (as far as I'm concerned anyway) halfway through that final issue where Fabian took over the scripting in the middle of the story. It steps (sort of) sideways to "X-Men" #'s1->3 where it went on hold until I essentially picked up where I left off with "Forever" Prelude & #1. From here, hopefully, we're off & running. All that was revealed prior to "X-Men" #3 is valid; you'll simply have to keep reading the issues to discover how things play out. Re Storm -- the Nanny incident is an integral part of what happened then and how it affects what happens now, as is the re-introduction of an adult Storm in Genosha.

But -- big "But -- this being the "X-Men", you should never assume things are what they seem.

Hope this helps. If not, keep reading. You'll have some answers by the end of the first arc -- or, if you're at the Heroes Convention in Charlotte (assuming the weather eases enough for planes to fly out of JFK), you can see the upcoming pages by Tom Grummett (as usual, they're brilliant -- and wait'll you see what follows by Paul Smith & Terry Austin!) that reveal a whole lot of surprises, that in and of themselves are also mysteries. Tee-hee.

To Beak --

Whatever makes you think "Storm" and "Ro" refer to the same person?


Cordially,

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This was my question to Chris Claremont

Subject: Psylocke Confusion? born Mutant or Not ?

Hi Chris,

(1) There's been a lot of controversy whether Psylocke was a latent mutant
or not when first introduced in the first Captain Britain series (she first
experienced her precognition that eventually led to telepathy during the
Dr.Syne & Red Skull arc) . Some say she's not a mutant because her father
comes from the Otherworld Dimension, and that the twins might be mystically
tied or genetically engineered by their father & Merlin. Even when moore
took over it was never stated, a lot of fans thought that you branded her as
a mutant cause you wanted to use her in the X-Men, but it is my belief that
as fraternal twins they are not genetically the same and it is possible for
Brian to have been born a Human (later mystically enhanced) & Betsy to have
been born a Mutant (although Latent).

(2) What was it that their father saw unfit in Jamie that disqualified him
from being Captain Britain when he was born.

I’d appreciate if you can straighten out the confusion for me, thanks
again.

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Dear Liogam,

This question might best be directed to Alan Moore. he's the one who came up with that OtherWorld scenario.

My Psylocke is indeed a mutant, as is her twin brother. As to Jaime, that's a story yet to be told.
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