What's the purpose of the Teen Titans book? How and why is the team allowed to exist?

[BallsMonkey]

Originally Posted by []D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite

I don't know. Superboy and Bart sort of seemed less fun in Teen Titans compared to their earlier incarnations. Was the kneecap thing really necessary?

I will admit they were less fun of sorts compared to their YJ days, but definitely not emo-level. It was essentially just two characters who were initially perceived as immature, growing up. Bart was still Bart though, just smarter. As for Conner, I really dug how Geoff took him through this transformation into a true hero who conquered his inner dilemma to save the world.

As for the kneecap thing, I don't know if it was necessary, but I'm happy with the end result.

[Slaughter]

Maybe Conner did , but it's justifiable seeing as how he found out he was half Luthor, and later was used as a pawn to attack the Titans.

So he's half-luthor? Pffff. Before that retcon, do you know what he was? Paul Westfield. Not half. ALL Paul Westfield + tactile telekinesis. But you probrably don't even know who he is. Here's the lowdown on him:

He was the guy who, in the early nineties, was basically Lex Luthor's primary competitor for the "Biggest Bastard of Metropolis" award. He was the Director of Cadmus, and everyone, deep down, hated his guts. He lied, he cheated, he manipulated. He out-right STOLE Superman body after he died. Even Superman could't tolerate him. Then he upped his ante by indiscriminately gassing Underworlders with missiles and even risking civilian lives while at it.

Then things went so ugly that Luthor eventually upped his ante and turned Metropolis into a smoking ruin. Granted, Luthor still wins at douchebaggery, but Westfield sure did try. Got killed by Dabney Donovan before he could one-up Luthor's destruction of Metropolis, though. And everybody probrably rejoiced.

[Jack]

The problem with Bart's treatment wasn't that he got shot, but that even before then he was being written and drawn as a completely different character. A character who bore much more of a resemblence to a young Wally than any version of Bart to have existed before TT #1.

[pad]

Originally Posted by jamesfreeman

That she did. But back then, teen heroes weren't being killed off by the bucketfull. Even though there was a fair amount of killing back then, it didn't really affect the YJ members (in that none of them died).

I think WG should have been the leader of Teen Titans if they were going to continue from Young Justice, but Johns wanted a "classic" line-up, complete with Robin in charge. Addressing your point, the current writers are treating WG as if this was the first time she ever lead a team before. She is not saying how times are different now compared to leading YJ. Her time as leader of Young Justice doesn't seem to exist to Titans writers.

[jamesfreeman]

Originally Posted by pad

I think WG should have been the leader of Teen Titans if they were going to continue from Young Justice, but Johns wanted a "classic" line-up, complete with Robin in charge. Addressing your point, the current writers are treating WG as if this was the first time she ever lead a team before. She is not saying how times are different now compared to leading YJ. Her time as leader of Young Justice doesn't seem to exist to Titans writers.

On the whole, YJ doesn't exist to any of the writers we've had on Teen Titans. Like, why weren't Empress, Lagoon Boy, and Secret given the inviation by Kory to join the new Teen Titans at the start of the book?

Aside from a brief scene where they show Cassie hanging out with Arrowette at school, we haven't had any real mention of the team.

[Will.S]

Originally Posted by Jack

The problem with Bart's treatment wasn't that he got shot, but that even before then he was being written and drawn as a completely different character. A character who bore much more of a resemblence to a young Wally than any version of Bart to have existed before TT #1.

Not having read a great deal of Bart before Geoff's Teen Titans, I could certainly understand the argument. Although from what I've read of Geoff's run he was still impulsive although not to some cracked out degree.

[BallsMonkey]

Originally Posted by Jack

The problem with Bart's treatment wasn't that he got shot, but that even before then he was being written and drawn as a completely different character. A character who bore much more of a resemblence to a young Wally than any version of Bart to have existed before TT #1.

How was he a young Wally? They were way different characters. Bart was still Bart, the only difference is he actually thought things through now.

[BallsMonkey]

Originally Posted by jamesfreeman

On the whole, YJ doesn't exist to any of the writers we've had on Teen Titans. Like, why weren't Empress, Lagoon Boy, and Secret given the inviation by Kory to join the new Teen Titans at the start of the book?

Aside from a brief scene where they show Cassie hanging out with Arrowette at school, we haven't had any real mention of the team.

Well Secret had become human for one.

Bart, Tim, Conner, and Cassie were obviously the strongest characters in YJ. My guess just wanted to focus on getting the team back to basics and have a more familiar roster this time around.

[BallsMonkey]

Originally Posted by pad

I think WG should have been the leader of Teen Titans if they were going to continue from Young Justice, but Johns wanted a "classic" line-up, complete with Robin in charge. Addressing your point, the current writers are treating WG as if this was the first time she ever lead a team before. She is not saying how times are different now compared to leading YJ. Her time as leader of Young Justice doesn't seem to exist to Titans writers.

But Robin wasn't in charge. Cyborg was. The only time I really saw Robin actively take command was during Infinite Crisis, when Wonder Girl wasn't there.

[BallsMonkey]

Originally Posted by Slaughter

So he's half-luthor? Pffff. Before that retcon, do you know what he was? Paul Westfield. Not half. ALL Paul Westfield + tactile telekinesis. But you probrably don't even know who he is. Here's the lowdown on him:

He was the guy who, in the early nineties, was basically Lex Luthor's primary competitor for the "Biggest Bastard of Metropolis" award. He was the Director of Cadmus, and everyone, deep down, hated his guts. He lied, he cheated, he manipulated. He out-right STOLE Superman body after he died. Even Superman could't tolerate him. Then he upped his ante by indiscriminately gassing Underworlders with missiles and even risking civilian lives while at it.

Then things went so ugly that Luthor eventually upped his ante and turned Metropolis into a smoking ruin. Granted, Luthor still wins at douchebaggery, but Westfield sure did try. Got killed by Dabney Donovan before he could one-up Luthor's destruction of Metropolis, though. And everybody probrably rejoiced.

Okay, and?

[Wilder Midnight]

Originally Posted by Shellhead

The Teen Titans concept doesn't make much sense when compared with the current incarnation of the Justice Society. Teen heroes can definitely benefit from the guidance and supervision of older, more experienced heroes. Letting them run around unsupervised seems reckless.

yeah...all the best parties i went to in high school were chaperoned.

[Slaughter]

Originally Posted by BallsMonkey

Okay, and?

And I don't remember any emo winning about it when he discovered he was a modified young clone of Paul Westfield, at least not the extent he whines about being half luthor today.

[True Herald]

Originally Posted by BallsMonkey

I will admit they were less fun of sorts compared to their YJ days, but definitely not emo-level. It was essentially just two characters who were initially perceived as immature, growing up.

And Maturity Is Serious Business. *eyes roll*

(Consider your request denied, Newton. )

[True Herald]

Originally Posted by Slaughter

And I don't remember any emo winning about it when he discovered he was a modified young clone of Paul Westfield, at least not the extent he whines about being half luthor today.

You got that right. Karl Kesel's Superboy -- the REAL one with the REAL origin -- didn't need to wring excess drama out of being cloned from a villain. He had more going for him, and more to his character, than that one aspect.

[d newton]

And Maturity Is Serious Business. *eyes roll*

*rolleyes* - I'm going to use this every time an useless or annoying trope link gets posted.