War With New Krypton

[Captain Smith]

Originally Posted by aut0matic

have a chance? that would be the curbstomp to end all curbstomps...

hal and saint walker alone could presumably turn new krypton's sun red. i guess the entire gl corps, blue lantern corps, star sapphire corps, sinestro corps, rann and thanagar would be there for moral support?

Doesn't turning NK sun's red pose a touch of a problem for Kal, Supergirl, Powergirl?

I give up on Superman being the personality champ of the universe because Alan Scott is boring.

[gwydion]

Originally Posted by Captain Smith

Doesn't turning NK sun's red pose a touch of a problem for Kal, Supergirl, Powergirl?

I give up on Superman being the personality champ of the universe because Alan Scott is boring.

One would think it might...

[Mat001]

Originally Posted by dupersuper

Huh??

The people of Titan, the moon surrounding Jupiter does not come out and become part of the universe, until the 30th century with Saturn Girl.

The have a whole civilization with an entire science guild to work on it, while Superman was 1 guy who didn't even have a fortress for years, and spent the vast majority of his free time saving people from accidents, villains and natural disasters...?

Clark had a Fortress by the time he was an adult, which is the Pre-Crisis Fortress with the giant key. And he had Kryptonian tech, as seen with the Sunstone crystal and later what he got from the Eradicator. Emil Hamilton never found a cure, nor did STAR Labs. Also, New Krypton hasn't had time to work on it since they've been rebuilding and dealing with the assassination attempt on Zod and the Black Lantern attack. As it is, if they had a cure, then there would be no point in even having a war since it reduces conflict and makes Kryptonite a non factor for Superman, Supergirl, Superboy and Krypto.

Originally Posted by Captain Smith

I give up on Superman being the personality champ of the universe because Alan Scott is boring.

Like I said, Superman is well remembered and honored a thousand years later. Alan Scott is a footnote in history.

[dumbstruck]

Originally Posted by aut0matic

have a chance? that would be the curbstomp to end all curbstomps...

hal and saint walker alone could presumably turn new krypton's sun red. i guess the entire gl corps, blue lantern corps, star sapphire corps, sinestro corps, rann and thanagar would be there for moral support?

Heck, Luthor and Zod turned the sun red about 6 or 7 years ago. Why can't Luthor use the same technology to do it again, then Earth can round up the New K's and send them on their way.

[meathead320]

Originally Posted by CYOTI

The difference between Superman we know and the imitations will always be his character, his moral virtue and his ability to inspire.

Captain Smith never said he wanted, those aspects to be gone from Superman, only that Superman is more than just his moral virtues, and that is his uniqueness of having BOTH that, and being a powerful kryptonian.

Originally Posted by CYOTI

if you just want the baddest hero without the morality frankly you ....

Again, he never said he wanted that. Not that I have seen anyway.

Originally Posted by CYOTI

he represents everything good about us and about America, those very virtues that you disdain.

Where did he say that he disdains those values? Or is that just a personal insult and putting more words in his mouth?

Originally Posted by Mat001

Like I said, Superman is well remembered and honored a thousand years later. Alan Scott is a footnote in history.

According to some writers he is still alive and well many tens of thousands of years later. Not saying that he would not be remembered if he died (and stayed dead), just that often writers have put it that he only ages a finite amount. That the longer he lives, the slower he ages, until for all intents and purposes he is done aging. Some artists have him looking 42, but in otherwise great heatlh, but with all white hair.

Some do seem to show him aging, but so slowly that he still lives a few thousand years.

I prefer the first idea that is immortal (as in ageless) while living near a yellow sun, but does age just enough to look a little more wise and mature, while never really getting "old".

[Vic Vega]

I'd say Earth was doomed, depending on how strong the Spectre is feeling these days.

If this Spectre is as tough as the 70's version he could turn all the Kryptoinans into Lego Blocks and start playing with them is while laughing insanely.

And THAT'S if he was in a merciful mood.

[meathead320]

Well, if they could find a hunk of gold kryptonite, that would do the trick. Cruel, but it would work.

I'd suggest keeping it away from Kal and Kara.

If somehow the Kryptonians could be convinced to leave, for a solar system with a bigger yellow sun, together they could easily move the planet there too. It does not have to end in a War. They could just leave.

[Mat001]

Originally Posted by meathead320

Well, if they could find a hunk of gold kryptonite, that would do the trick. Cruel, but it would work.

For 15 seconds.

I'd suggest keeping it away from Kal and Kara.

Except why would Lex or Lane want to do that?

If somehow the Kryptonians could be convinced to leave, for a solar system with a bigger yellow sun, together they could easily move the planet there too. It does not have to end in a War. They could just leave.

Ah, but Zod doesn't want some other solar system. He wants Earth so he can rub it in Clark's face that he is the ruler. He vowed to make Jor-El and his family pay for their transgressions against him. He did it once and he will do it again.

[meathead320]

Originally Posted by Mat001

For 15 seconds.

Except why would Lex or Lane want to do that?

Ah, but Zod doesn't want some other solar system. He wants Earth so he can rub it in Clark's face that he is the ruler. He vowed to make Jor-El and his family pay for their transgressions against him. He did it once and he will do it again.

Thats right! Shoot I forgot, the permanent thing was the Pre-crisis version.

That and the permanent stuff would only last until a writer just made up a cure.

Never said Lex or lane wouldn't want to do that, just saying it could ruin them too, so if it were earth heros that would be implementing it, they may spare kal $ kara. Anyhow since its the 15 second variety, that would not matter anyway.

However, without powers, how long would ist take the flash and a few other speedsters to drop all those kryptonians into a pocket universe, or send them to another one entirely? Heck even without a 15 second power stoppage, they could maybe find a way to get rid of the planet by sending somewhere else. Put it in the right place and Zod is gone until the next writer wants to play with him again.

The thing is there are a lot of ways the writers could deal with this.

Its to think of a way to make something work. They have something planned. I don't see NK as being there for too much longer.

Eventually things will get turned back to normal. Superman being the only, or one very few Kryptonians on earth, flying around in Metropolis, waiting for the next adventure, Batman alive and well and beating up thugs in Gotham, and so forth.

DC comics tends to eventually put things back into place.

[dupersuper]

Originally Posted by Mat001

The people of Titan, the moon surrounding Jupiter does not come out and become part of the universe, until the 30th century with Saturn Girl.

Wasn't Titan colonized?? There are actually supposed to be "Titonians" around in the present day?

[gwydion]

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

I'd say Earth was doomed, depending on how strong the Spectre is feeling these days.

If this Spectre is as tough as the 70's version he could turn all the Kryptoinans into Lego Blocks and start playing with them is while laughing insanely.

And THAT'S if he was in a merciful mood.

Come now, the Spectre is never available when a big Crisis happens...

Actually, for the most powerful DCU "hero", he's pretty useless, good mainly for killing low-level thugs.

Okay, he does lend a hand now and again, but never winds up being the tipping point in a big event.

[Mat001]

Originally Posted by Vic Vega

I'd say Earth was doomed, depending on how strong the Spectre is feeling these days.

If this Spectre is as tough as the 70's version he could turn all the Kryptoinans into Lego Blocks and start playing with them is while laughing insanely.

And THAT'S if he was in a merciful mood.

The Spectre would only get involved if he was needed and he was given the direction to do so. At best he would against Zod, but not all of the Kryptonians.

Originally Posted by meathead320

That and the permanent stuff would only last until a writer just made up a cure.

I don't think that happened too often. Usually it was used against someone who wasn't Superman and Supergirl. Time travel was used once to save Superman who had been exposed.

Never said Lex or lane wouldn't want to do that, just saying it could ruin them too, so if it were earth heros that would be implementing it, they may spare kal $ kara. Anyhow since its the 15 second variety, that would not matter anyway.

I doubt Earth's heroes would use Gold Kryptonite. Mainly because not all of the Kryptonians are evil or deserve to have their powers taken from them.

However, without powers, how long would ist take the flash and a few other speedsters to drop all those kryptonians into a pocket universe, or send them to another one entirely? Heck even without a 15 second power stoppage, they could maybe find a way to get rid of the planet by sending somewhere else. Put it in the right place and Zod is gone until the next writer wants to play with him again.

The thing is there are a lot of ways the writers could deal with this.

Its to think of a way to make something work. They have something planned. I don't see NK as being there for too much longer.

Eventually things will get turned back to normal. Superman being the only, or one very few Kryptonians on earth, flying around in Metropolis, waiting for the next adventure, Batman alive and well and beating up thugs in Gotham, and so forth.

DC comics tends to eventually put things back into place.

Or maybe they'll surprise us and leave it be. You never know.

Originally Posted by dupersuper

Wasn't Titan colonized?? There are actually supposed to be "Titonians" around in the present day?

My point is that Saturn and eventually Titan do not get involved in affairs away from home for a long time. They're much like Krypton was after the Kryptonian Empire fell. Perfering to live alone than interact with another world.

[meathead320]

Originally Posted by Mat001

Or maybe they'll surprise us and leave it be. You never know.

Nothing is 100% for sure 100% of the time, however in this case the odds are good enough that I'm sure enough to bet on it Not lasting.

I would be shocked if in 5 years DC still has New Krypton in our Solar system.

[aut0matic]

Originally Posted by Captain Smith

Doesn't turning NK sun's red pose a touch of a problem for Kal, Supergirl, Powergirl?

hal sends superman, supergirl, powergirl, and krypto to oa to sit this one out while he and saint walker turn NK's sun red. after kryptonians fail (hal and saint walker can nuke NK for dramatic effect), hal turns NK's sun back to yellow and supes and friends come back to earth.

[UltraMagnetic]

Originally Posted by Mat001

Superman is an icon to the public in the DCU, because he does his best to inspire people to be selfless and compassionate. He was able to bring back the age of heroes and was the champion of everyone, both human and alien. It's not his powers, but how and why he chooses to utilize them. Not because of a personal tragedy as many of the other heroes around him, but out of a desire to help humanity. That's why when DC gave him energy powers, he was still Superman in spite of that. Being unique doesn't make you the greatest. There's a reason that he's more remember a thousand years later, than the other heroes and it's not what he could do, but how.

My opinion of what makes Superman great is that he's the hero's hero. He represents the characteristics and values that a real hero should have, but his powers contribute to his mythology and icon status just as much if not moreso than his values. When Superman arrives on the scene, citizens and heroes alike feel a sense of relief. From defeating Doomsday after the Justice League failed to do so to wrestling an angel (when he had energy powers) who was whoopin' J'onn's ass. Those were things that were a job for Superman.

He is idolized not just for what he stands for but also the feats he's accomplished. So Superman doesn't have to be the baddest, but he damn sure should be in the top 5.