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DeadXMan · 11-05-2009, 02:35 AM

So Red here brainwashed Sharon to shoot Steve with a time machine gun, have Doom build a device to pull him out of the subspace with Sharon as the anchor. Just so he could transfer his soul into Steve's body?

Why didn't he just clone Steve's body again? It seems more cost effective.

Arksy · 11-05-2009, 02:57 AM

what happened to cloned steve??

DeadXMan · 11-05-2009, 03:08 AM

Bucky shot him in the beginning of Bru's run.

Moose967 · 11-05-2009, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Crime Dentist

A couple of things stood out to me this issue:

1. The scene with Reed and Pym felt wrong after everything that's happened in Mighty Avengers. It was basically just Pym sitting back and going "golly Reed, you're so smart, but what does that thing you just figured out really mean?"

2. Since when did Ronin start flat out killing people? He stuck those H.A.M.M.E.R. agents with arrows but good. Those were no flesh wounds.

3. Why does Doom go to all this trouble to personally help out with Red Skull's silly plot? And it is silly. Just freaking kill Rogers, you idiot, you're acting like a villain on the old Adam West Batman show. You KNOW he's going to stop you, he's done it 836 times before. You should just be sick of him by now. And Doom should just tell him straight up, "if you want a better body then go to the gym like everybody else, Doom has a country to run."

4. I like the coloring, it's really good.

1. Mighty Avengers sucks. But other than that even Eternity told Pym that Richards was smarter than he was.

2. Ronin doesn't care about Hammer agents. He went to purposely kill Osborn after all.

3. Doom has an ego and wants to prove that his machine will work and that he is a man of honor.

4. I like the coloring too.

Overall another solid issue. I can't wait to see what happens. Though I wonder if after Skull is defeated if he isn't just going lay "dormant" in Steve only to pop back up as a plot point maybe? Here is hoping for two Caps, Steve AND Bucky!!

Runguy · 11-05-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadXMan

So Red here brainwashed Sharon to shoot Steve with a time machine gun, have Doom build a device to pull him out of the subspace with Sharon as the anchor. Just so he could transfer his soul into Steve's body?

Why didn't he just clone Steve's body again? It seems more cost effective.

The reason could be that the Red Skull hates Steve SO much that cloning him (again) is not enough. To actually occupy his body would be the ultimate insult/revenge.

CaptainCanada · 11-05-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadXMan

So Red here brainwashed Sharon to shoot Steve with a time machine gun, have Doom build a device to pull him out of the subspace with Sharon as the anchor. Just so he could transfer his soul into Steve's body?

Why didn't he just clone Steve's body again? It seems more cost effective.

He doesn't care about cost; he wants the genuine article (and it was a good plan, really; the only reason it didn't work the first time was because Faustus betrayed him).

Iron_Stark · 11-05-2009, 07:34 AM

Did I miss something, wasn't the Red Skull in Armin Zola's body at the end of issue 3?

Sighphi · 11-05-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Freakzeek

Doom is officially the biggest D1CK on the planet....so Badass

No, if he was THE biggest he would've called her DOOMA!

NickFury90 · 11-05-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron_Stark

Did I miss something, wasn't the Red Skull in Armin Zola's body at the end of issue 3?

He still is, in a way. He's still in that robot body, but at the end of issue 3 Sin and Crossbones gave him that Red Skull to wear. Notice how in this issue he has that robotic dialog box.

XPac · 11-05-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCanada

He doesn't care about cost; he wants the genuine article (and it was a good plan, really; the only reason it didn't work the first time was because Faustus betrayed him).

I don't know... the plan seems a bit overly complicated.

But I'll buy it, since I do think the overall story is very good.

Iron_Stark · 11-05-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NickFury90

He still is, in a way. He's still in that robot body, but at the end of issue 3 Sin and Crossbones gave him that Red Skull to wear. Notice how in this issue he has that robotic dialog box.

Oh ok. It just looked like he was in a different body because when walking towards Doom, he's not bulky like Zola.

arp2008 · 11-05-2009, 08:09 AM

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arp2008 · 11-05-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Freakzeek

Damn I just got done reading this page....

Doom is officially the biggest D1CK on the planet....so Badass

Comic title and issue number, please!!!!

Iron Maiden · 11-05-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jackolover

Again, I am so impressed with Doom. He is a snake and a backstabber, but when the chips were down, he came through. That image is one that will seer itself into MU, as something that most villains would never do. But Johnny's faith in Dooms actions was what will always make me wonder what Doom is.

Just noticed the magic symbols behind Sues bed. Is that something Doom put there?

Yeah, he used a combination of science and sorcery to prevent Sue from miscarrying again. He siphoned off some of Johnny's energies and solved his problem too. Doom really really got one over on Reed big time.

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Originally Posted by arp2008

Comic title and issue number, please!!!!

That was in the Fantastic Four #54 volume 3, before numbering went back to the original. Plot by Carlos Pacheco & Rafael Marin with Karl Kesel on the dialogue. I was glad that Bagley finally got a chance to work on the FF.

I like how Doom always treats Johnny like an idiot.

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Originally Posted by The Crime Dentist

A couple of things stood out to me this issue:

1. The scene with Reed and Pym felt wrong after everything that's happened in Mighty Avengers. It was basically just Pym sitting back and going "golly Reed, you're so smart, but what does that thing you just figured out really mean?"

I think it stands to reason that he would have to let Reed take the lead on this one. IMO, the biggest brains in the MU is either going to be Doom or Reed. Since chronal technology is a big component in this device, they are the most knowledgeable. I think Doom is probably more so since he showed up in FF#5 with a fully functional time platform, completely beating Reed to the punch on that one.

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Originally Posted by The Crime Dentist

3. Why does Doom go to all this trouble to personally help out with Red Skull's silly plot? And it is silly. Just freaking kill Rogers, you idiot, you're acting like a villain on the old Adam West Batman show. You KNOW he's going to stop you, he's done it 836 times before. You should just be sick of him by now. And Doom should just tell him straight up, "if you want a better body then go to the gym like everybody else, Doom has a country to run."

The only reason he's involved is the quid pro quo about that artifact the Skull's men turned up in an archealogical dig in Eisenstadt, Germany. I wanna see Brubaker follow up on that.

Bevbos · 11-05-2009, 09:31 AM

Loved the issue BUT

I gotta know how this squares with Clint being captured in "The List". Marvel seems to just be playing really loose with its current continuity, and I'm normally the last guy to stand up for "continuity" in general, but it's starting to grate a little.

This has to happen before "the List," right??? Which would imply that Bucky is STILL Cap at the end of Cap Reborn.

Hopefully somebody will explain this. *sigh*

Another great issue, though.

11-05-2009, 02:35 AM	#31
DeadXMan Must be this cool to post Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: where metal hasn't sold out Posts: 10,544	So Red here brainwashed Sharon to shoot Steve with a time machine gun, have Doom build a device to pull him out of the subspace with Sharon as the anchor. Just so he could transfer his soul into Steve's body? Why didn't he just clone Steve's body again? It seems more cost effective. __________________ A dead Spock without pants is the least of our worries.... ~Reed Richards Her name was Tabitha Smith.

11-05-2009, 03:08 AM	#33
DeadXMan Must be this cool to post Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: where metal hasn't sold out Posts: 10,544	Bucky shot him in the beginning of Bru's run. __________________ A dead Spock without pants is the least of our worries.... ~Reed Richards Her name was Tabitha Smith.

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11-05-2009, 02:57 AM	#32
Arksy Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 298	what happened to cloned steve??

11-05-2009, 07:34 AM	#37
Iron_Stark Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 444	Did I miss something, wasn't the Red Skull in Armin Zola's body at the end of issue 3?

11-05-2009, 09:31 AM	#45
Bevbos Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 514	Loved the issue BUT I gotta know how this squares with Clint being captured in "The List". Marvel seems to just be playing really loose with its current continuity, and I'm normally the last guy to stand up for "continuity" in general, but it's starting to grate a little. This has to happen before "the List," right??? Which would imply that Bucky is STILL Cap at the end of Cap Reborn. Hopefully somebody will explain this. sigh Another great issue, though.