How do you think the new bat books sales will rank?

[Winghead]

Do you think Detective will still sell more than books like Streets Of Gotham, and Red Robin because of the name despite not being Batman? Do you think Batman and Robin will outsell Batman?

[carabas]

"Batman and Robin" will outsell almost anything just by virtue of the creativ team combined with Batman.

Red Robin will sell worse than Robin, which wasn't too stellar a seller to begin with.

Streets Of Gotham will probbaly do Gotham Central numbers.

and Detective Comics will take a hit (going from Gaiman on Batman to Rucka on not-Batman), but remain a good seller.

[carabas]

Originally Posted by Son of Sheena

Superman's top dog now.

You know he's not in his main books either, right? Action comics is starring Nightwing and Firebird, while Mon-El takes over the Superman title.

[BeastieRunner]

I really think DC Comics will start tanking REALLY badly over the next few years. I don't think a lot of new fans will buy a Batman title without Bruce as Batman. But I'd love to be proven wrong because I really badly want to see legacy characters take off into the mainstream.

If WB/DC really put some effort into selling this and stuck to their guns, I could see it doing well and sticking. But as of right now, it looks like a better version of the Knightfall gimmick of the 90s. We shall see ...

[Henker]

Guessing something like this:

Highest Sellling
Batman and Robin
Batman
Detective Comics
Streets of Gotham
Gotham City Sirens
Lowest Selling

Left out the titles that we still know nothing about.

[Seraku]

people will mainly buy whatever has the word Batman on the cover and thus those will dominate

[Doc Goblin]

Batman & Robin will be the top selling Batman title. DC's making it the new flagship Batman book with Morrison going there. It'll be one of DC's highest selling books with only the Blackest Night stuff outselling it.

Batman will do fine and probably rank second in sales for Batbooks. It won't be a top 10 book but it'll probably stay in the top 20, selling about as well as Green Lantern and Justice Society currently are when things level out. Probably better.

Detective Comics isn't going anywhere. It's still Detective Comics and it'll have a really strong creative team. I don't expect Batman not being the star to have much impact. Its sales will probably spike and then settle to where it usually sells lately.

Red Robin isn't going to do anything special. Tim Drake is most likely the star. It'll pull in the "healthy enough" sales numbers Tim Drake's book usually pulls in. A costume change isn't going to make much of a difference.

Batgirl may be mostly unknown right now as far as details go, but I don't think it matters. Whether it's Babs or Babs mentoring Calculator's daughter as the new Batgirl, it's probably going to hover in the vicinity of Red Robin in sales. I see it having lower sales unless like... Gail Simone is writing it or some other really strong creative team.

Streets of Gotham and Gotham Sirens will struggle, even if they turn out to be good quality books. Respectively, I see them being in the same boat as Gotham Central and Catwoman. Maybe they'll do a little better, and maybe that'll be enough to keep them alive.

[Captain Jim]

Originally Posted by Doc Goblin

Batman & Robin will be the top selling Batman title. DC's making it the new flagship Batman book with Morrison going there. It'll be one of DC's highest selling books with only the Blackest Night stuff outselling it.

Batman will do fine and probably rank second in sales for Batbooks. It won't be a top 10 book but it'll probably stay in the top 20, selling about as well as Green Lantern and Justice Society currently are when things level out. Probably better.

Detective Comics isn't going anywhere. It's still Detective Comics and it'll have a really strong creative team. I don't expect Batman not being the star to have much impact. Its sales will probably spike and then settle to where it usually sells lately.

I agree with the above.

Red Robin isn't going to do anything special. Tim Drake is most likely the star. It'll pull in the "healthy enough" sales numbers Tim Drake's book usually pulls in. A costume change isn't going to make much of a difference.

It's beginning to look more like Jason, but I'm not sure that will change the numbers from what you indicate.

Batgirl may be mostly unknown right now as far as details go, but I don't think it matters. Whether it's Babs or Babs mentoring Calculator's daughter as the new Batgirl, it's probably going to hover in the vicinity of Red Robin in sales. I see it having lower sales unless like... Gail Simone is writing it or some other really strong creative team.

I think a Barbara Gordon Batgirl might do better than you expect--especially if Gail is writing it.

Streets of Gotham and Gotham Sirens will struggle, even if they turn out to be good quality books. Respectively, I see them being in the same boat as Gotham Central and Catwoman. Maybe they'll do a little better, and maybe that'll be enough to keep them alive.

I disagree with you on Streets. It's the old Detective team and I think it will do numbers similar to Detective. I think Sirens will do better than you think; I don't think the book will be in jeopardy. But it won't be a best seller either.

[nepenthes]

Batman & Robin

Detective Comics

Batman
Sirens

Red Robin
Streets

Outsiders

[Doc Goblin]

Originally Posted by Captain Jim

It's beginning to look more like Jason, but I'm not sure that will change the numbers from what you indicate.

I don't know. To me, it's looking more and more like Tim. Besides some artwork where Red Robin looks a little heavy on the muscle, everything seems to point right at Tim.

But I agree. Tim or Jason... the numbers will be about the same. There never seemed to be a big sales difference between the Nightwing and Robin books. There seems to be this steady level for where Robin books sell.

Originally Posted by Captain Jim

I think a Barbara Gordon Batgirl might do better than you expect--especially if Gail is writing it.

I'd be really surprised, but I don't see it. I don't really believe there's this big hidden audience waiting for Babs as Batgirl who otherwise ignored the character when she was Oracle in Birds of Prey. Even with Gail, who I love and is one of my favorite DC writers, writing it. I'd be really surprised if it sold better than Birds of Prey did or Secret Six is.

Originally Posted by Captain Jim

I disagree with you on Streets. It's the old Detective team and I think it will do numbers similar to Detective. I think Sirens will do better than you think; I don't think the book will be in jeopardy. But it won't be a best seller either.

The bulk of Detective's sales were already there when the creative team came onto it, so I wouldn't really count on them automatically pulling the same numbers on Streets of Gotham. It'd be nice, but I have my doubts. Same with Gotham Sirens. I'm just basing that off of how well Birds of Prey and Catwoman did. I like Dini but I don't think his name is yet an automatic seller like some writers.

[frostedone]

Batman and Robin (Temporarily) Later it gets bumped down a bit.
Batman
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Detective
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Streets of Gotham/Batgirl (SoG may overtake Detective eventually.) The Paul Dini/Dustin Nguyen team is popular.
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Gotham Sirens
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Red Robin
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Outsiders

[carabas]

Originally Posted by Doc Goblin

The bulk of Detective's sales were already there when the creative team came onto it, so I wouldn't really count on them automatically pulling the same numbers on Streets of Gotham. It'd be nice, but I have my doubts. Same with Gotham Sirens. I'm just basing that off of how well Birds of Prey and Catwoman did. I like Dini but I don't think his name is yet an automatic seller like some writers.

Yeah, I agree. "Gotham Central" had the writers of both Batman and Detective comics, and that hovered around the cancelation point for most of its run.

I'd be really surprised, but I don't see it. I don't really believe there's this big hidden audience waiting for Babs as Batgirl who otherwise ignored the character when she was Oracle in Birds of Prey.

I think it'll be like Supergirl... once the original shock and awe wears off, it'll be one of DC's lowest selling titles unles it ties into some major event.

[earl]

I'm sure it will be good comics and maybe their Batwoman will be popular, but you would have to think that a 12 issue run of Batman by JH Williams and Greg Rucka would sell by the truck load.

I personally think a bunch of this is just watering down Batman trying to turn it into the X-men. Heck they have even gotten rid of the real Batman and just made it about all of these side characters.

I just think they ought to stick to the truism of 'keep it simple stupid' instead of gimmicks. I like Grant Morrison's comics but it is kind of interesting that basically the Batman story he wanted to tell was pretty much by getting rid of Batman.

[the goddamn batman]

I see Batman and Robin selling pretty well for Quitely's arc. Probably dropping a bit after that.

Batman will sell well out of completist dedication... and perhaps better than Tec, which will at the very least maintain it's current sales figures despite teh internets outrage.

Everything else will sell below those and drop in numbers until they're cancelled or the status quo is returned.

Originally Posted by Doc Goblin

I don't really believe there's this big hidden audience waiting for Babs as Batgirl who otherwise ignored the character when she was Oracle in Birds of Prey.

It might not be a big group, but there's at least a few of us.

[Seraku]

maybe I'm overestimating this, but Yost has built up quite a fanbase with his work on X-Men, so that might give Red Robin a fair boost