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Mundungus · 10-19-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Superboy-Prime

Morrison has said numerous times that it is Bruce Wayne under the Mask in final Crisis.

seriously don't you people read?!

I've been told that I'm terrible with sarcasm, but just in case you're serious; you can read and not have kept up-to-date on every interview or article concerning Final Crisis.

Sometimes I wish I didn't have such a curious nature and just walked into my comic shop every week for books instead of knowing what's coming.

dreyga2000 · 10-19-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Brack360

I'm disappointed that it appears that Batgirl is being dropped from this book. I was really hoping that it would be renamed Batgirl and the Outsiders, not The Outsiders.

Likewise.. it seems like I'll be dropping this book of my pull list...

HaroldAllnut · 10-19-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mundungus

On the glowing red goggle man. I finally figured out where I remember him from. Not that it's possible because it's a different universe owned by another company, but he looks like Nighthawk from J. Michael Straczynski's Supreme Power comic.

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Originally Posted by John Lynch

That's who it reminded me of as well.

I third that motion.

Retro315 · 10-19-2008, 11:51 AM

The businessman is Alfred Pennyworth.

AKA The Silver Age OUTSIDER ...

Has to be ...

EDIT:

Further thought ... "Never-Before-Seen" character who is important to the Batman mythos? Points to Alfred. I'm a guy who feels like DC has too many team books, but I think my dislike is because they're not always well organized, with characters switching back and forth at writer's whims and so forth - like Green Arrow being an Outsider, AND in JLA ... and so forth. It just seems a bit of a stretch.

But if these guys are done with JLA, aren't going for Hal's Aggro-JL, and so forth ... and editorial can keep them pinned down, I'm game. A team of Black Lightning, Geo-Force, Metamorpho, The Creeper, Nightshade and whoever the new guy ... there's definitely some "outsiders" on that team.

Led by Alfred Pennyworth, it's a whole new ballgame ... I imagine a team like is would be a far better place to see Deathstroke recurring than JLA. Also, run-ins with the Secret Six fit this crew, etc ...

Kind of the B-List enemies who aren't super-metahumans, but have their abilities, powers, and more interesting characters than big cosmic JLA threats like Despero or something, and evasive threats that the JL will be gunning for, like your Vandal Savages and such.

hamish314 · 10-19-2008, 12:29 PM

No way, I don't remember Alfred having hairy knuckles...

Retro315 · 10-19-2008, 12:56 PM

Okay, granted ... the artist chose to make those hands a little hairy.

But the exaggerated tendons and veins do seem to indicate somebody with some years behind them, and the gold button seems very neat and proper. And it's not a very meaty, super-muscled big guy hand. Just a normal guy.

But I still think the Alfred/Outsider/Outsiders thing is too obvious to ignore, and with Batman gone ... Alfred stepping up to fill in one of his roles doesn't seem that hard to fathom.

Plus, Alfred has a history of covert activity and spy related things, and as we've seen recently in Trinity, there is kind of an appeal in seeing Alfred out there as an aging adventurer in some capacity.

I think it's a smart play if it is indeed Alfred filling Batman's shoes in this case.

Jaded Devil · 10-19-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Walsh

If you look at the cufflink on the hand, you can make out a "CP." 2 letters seem to precede it, but I can't tell what they are.

The first thing I thought of was "IN"......which would make that man very holy.

After REALLY blowing the cufflink up, I'm certain it reads "ATCP"...for Alfred Thaddeus Crane Pennyworth.

Quinnhop · 10-19-2008, 05:21 PM

The woman in the top right looks like Huntress or Manhunter.

The blonde looks like Terra.

**Captain Jim** · 10-19-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mundungus

I've been told that I'm terrible with sarcasm, but just in case you're serious.

He's serious. Morrison has said that Bruce IS Batman at the beginning of FC. The final fate of BW will be seen at the end of FC, not RIP.

Superboy-Prime · 10-19-2008, 10:39 PM

thats what I don't get. In issue 2 or 1, Bruce is back at work doing what he does best, he doesn't seem to be affected by the events of RIP, he appears to be A-ok. So I guess what really f's him up happens in the end of FC, no?

HaroldAllnut · 10-19-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Retro315

Plus, Alfred has a history of covert activity and spy related things, and as we've seen recently in Trinity, there is kind of an appeal in seeing Alfred out there as an aging adventurer in some capacity.

I think it's a smart play if it is indeed Alfred filling Batman's shoes in this case.

That's actually a pretty sweet set-up. He could use the Bat-resources to his advantage while setting up the team.

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Originally Posted by Superboy-Prime

thats what I don't get. In issue 2 or 1, Bruce is back at work doing what he does best, he doesn't seem to be affected by the events of RIP, he appears to be A-ok. So I guess what really f's him up happens in the end of FC, no?

Then doesn't that sort of cheapen "Batman R.I.P.?" I mean, if we ultimately know that the Black Glove fails and Batman ends up falling to Darkseid, I think it sort of kills the build-up behind the storyline. Unless, of course, there's something which we're all missing, which is safe to say, considering that Morrison has another double-sized issue to s'plain himself.

Death by Mime · 10-20-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaded Devil

After REALLY blowing the cufflink up, I'm certain it reads "ATCP"...for Alfred Thaddeus Crane Pennyworth.

Oh, I hope this is accurate. It would be such a fantastic position for Alfred after Bruce Wayne's death/retirement/whatever. He'd be the unflappable British superior handing out missions to his team.

Plus, the corniness of the Outsider leading the Outsiders is too good to pass up.

Sean Walsh · 10-20-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaded Devil

After REALLY blowing the cufflink up, I'm certain it reads "ATCP"...for Alfred Thaddeus Crane Pennyworth.

.....

Oh, holy crap, that's just fantastic.

scott lantern · 10-30-2008, 12:09 PM

I read somewhere (Dan Didio interview, I believe) that Manhunter was going to be in The Outsiders following the cancellation of her title...

Constantine Drakon · 11-02-2008, 07:07 PM

I'm a little surprised that the possibility that the masked individual is Owlman has been so quickly dismissed. The ongoing mysteries of R.I.P. are the identities of the Black Glove (who appears to be J.J., but may not be) and Dr. Hurt, who apparently knows a great deal about Batman and has a unique reason for hating Bruce (one that Joker finds amusing).

I would not be in the least bit surprised if Morrison brought back "Thomas Wayne Jr." the (very poorly thought out) pre-Crisis long-lost insane older brother that Bruce never knew he had. Since the Thomas Wayne Jr. of Antimatter Earth became Owlman, it's possible that the Thomas Wayne Jr. of the new earth might take on that identity as well. The game DC put out saying "five things will come true, five things won't" makes a reference to an Owl as well. It does seem very likely that the new character will be the first appearance of New Earth's Thomas Wayne Jr. as Owl Man.

For the record, I hope I'm very wrong.

10-19-2008, 11:51 AM	#34
Retro315 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Utica, NY Posts: 4,557	Re The businessman is Alfred Pennyworth. AKA The Silver Age OUTSIDER ... Has to be ... EDIT: Further thought ... "Never-Before-Seen" character who is important to the Batman mythos? Points to Alfred. I'm a guy who feels like DC has too many team books, but I think my dislike is because they're not always well organized, with characters switching back and forth at writer's whims and so forth - like Green Arrow being an Outsider, AND in JLA ... and so forth. It just seems a bit of a stretch. But if these guys are done with JLA, aren't going for Hal's Aggro-JL, and so forth ... and editorial can keep them pinned down, I'm game. A team of Black Lightning, Geo-Force, Metamorpho, The Creeper, Nightshade and whoever the new guy ... there's definitely some "outsiders" on that team. Led by Alfred Pennyworth, it's a whole new ballgame ... I imagine a team like is would be a far better place to see Deathstroke recurring than JLA. Also, run-ins with the Secret Six fit this crew, etc ... Kind of the B-List enemies who aren't super-metahumans, but have their abilities, powers, and more interesting characters than big cosmic JLA threats like Despero or something, and evasive threats that the JL will be gunning for, like your Vandal Savages and such. Last edited by Retro315; 10-19-2008 at 11:58 AM.

10-19-2008, 12:56 PM	#36
Retro315 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Utica, NY Posts: 4,557	Re Okay, granted ... the artist chose to make those hands a little hairy. But the exaggerated tendons and veins do seem to indicate somebody with some years behind them, and the gold button seems very neat and proper. And it's not a very meaty, super-muscled big guy hand. Just a normal guy. But I still think the Alfred/Outsider/Outsiders thing is too obvious to ignore, and with Batman gone ... Alfred stepping up to fill in one of his roles doesn't seem that hard to fathom. Plus, Alfred has a history of covert activity and spy related things, and as we've seen recently in Trinity, there is kind of an appeal in seeing Alfred out there as an aging adventurer in some capacity. I think it's a smart play if it is indeed Alfred filling Batman's shoes in this case.

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10-19-2008, 12:29 PM	#35
hamish314 Hamish Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 16	No way, I don't remember Alfred having hairy knuckles...

10-19-2008, 05:21 PM	#38
Quinnhop Furry, Hatted, Daddy Dick Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,461	The woman in the top right looks like Huntress or Manhunter. The blonde looks like Terra.

10-19-2008, 10:39 PM	#40
Superboy-Prime BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 333	thats what I don't get. In issue 2 or 1, Bruce is back at work doing what he does best, he doesn't seem to be affected by the events of RIP, he appears to be A-ok. So I guess what really f's him up happens in the end of FC, no?

10-30-2008, 12:09 PM	#44
scott lantern Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 127	I read somewhere (Dan Didio interview, I believe) that Manhunter was going to be in The Outsiders following the cancellation of her title...

11-02-2008, 07:07 PM	#45
Constantine Drakon wear my sunglasses@night Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,165	I'm a little surprised that the possibility that the masked individual is Owlman has been so quickly dismissed. The ongoing mysteries of R.I.P. are the identities of the Black Glove (who appears to be J.J., but may not be) and Dr. Hurt, who apparently knows a great deal about Batman and has a unique reason for hating Bruce (one that Joker finds amusing). I would not be in the least bit surprised if Morrison brought back "Thomas Wayne Jr." the (very poorly thought out) pre-Crisis long-lost insane older brother that Bruce never knew he had. Since the Thomas Wayne Jr. of Antimatter Earth became Owlman, it's possible that the Thomas Wayne Jr. of the new earth might take on that identity as well. The game DC put out saying "five things will come true, five things won't" makes a reference to an Owl as well. It does seem very likely that the new character will be the first appearance of New Earth's Thomas Wayne Jr. as Owl Man. For the record, I hope I'm very wrong.