Nightwing 149 **Spoilers**

[Seraku]

Originally Posted by ANewHope

Simply, what's the quality level for both Robin and Nightwing within the past 2 years?

instead of 2 years I'm going since OYL

Robin:
Previous runs where Beechen, Thomas and Dixon.
Beechen is a talentless hack, his arc started the "evil cass" nonsense
I skipped Thomas so I have no opinion
milligan was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal
Dixon was pretty good, brought back Spoiler. the current Nicienza run is a spiritual continuation of it in my eyes.

Nightwing:
Jones and Wolfman.
Hated hated hated Jones' run with a passion.
Wolfman was doing a very good run around the level of Tomasi's run. he had a good handle on the character (which would be obvious since Wolfman made dick Nightwing) and had some good arcs
nicienza was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal

[He who laughs last]

I finally picked up Nightwing and added it to my pull list. The character always held a fascination for me. Essentially the coming of age character who grew up to be a hero under the tutelage of a mentor. That is Nightwing in a nutshell. Even though this arc occurs after RIP, I still wonder what his fate will be during battle of the cowl. Not to cross thread or comic enterprises, but Dick would do wonders and truly have a chance to shine if he were set up right to take the Dark Knight's place. I enjoyed the interaction between dick and Two-face in this last issue. And realizing that TwoFace really is a dick, regardless of which side flips the coin. I hope Grayson is up to fill the shoes he is set to fill, especially against such a formidable gallery, plus the ones he has built up himself under the NW guise. I feel for the guy, despite being a 2D character in a comic. To get beat up as often as he has been lately brings a certain tangible element of fear to the table. He is the down to Earth guy faced with insurmountable odds, facing down personal tragedy but maitaining a rather positive outlook on conflict.

[WorstThingUS]

Originally Posted by Seraku

instead of 2 years I'm going since OYL

Robin:
Previous runs where Beechen, Thomas and Dixon.
Beechen is a talentless hack, his arc started the "evil cass" nonsense
I skipped Thomas so I have no opinion
milligan was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal
Dixon was pretty good, brought back Spoiler. the current Nicienza run is a spiritual continuation of it in my eyes.

Nightwing:
Jones and Wolfman.
Hated hated hated Jones' run with a passion.
Wolfman was doing a very good run around the level of Tomasi's run. he had a good handle on the character (which would be obvious since Wolfman made dick Nightwing) and had some good arcs
nicienza was on for 2 issues during a crossover so his contribution is minimal

I maintain Jones was doing an All Star Batman level of satire on the book, because no one could ever seriously think that was good. But I disagree on Wolfman. We all had high hopes because, as you point out, he created Nightwing, but it was good only when compared to the years of painful suffering we'd all endured at the hands of Devin Grayson and Bruce Jones. On its on merits, it was a bit flat and ultimately became little more than a platform to launch the new Vigilante.

[ANewHope]

Sounds like now is the time to be reading then. Both Nightwing and Robin.

All i can say about the first 3 issues of Nightwing is wow.

I was really surprised when they killed the girl in distress. Making this a great 3-part story. Now we'll have Two-Face taking out his revenge next issue.

I also love how Two-Face is no longer aware of his other's personality, far worse than being bipolar.

I know when I read a good comic book. This was a great comic.

[Mat001]

Originally Posted by WorstThingUS

I maintain Jones was doing an All Star Batman level of satire on the book, because no one could ever seriously think that was good.

For all you know, Bruce Jones thinks it's the greatest thing he's ever written.

[Lester C.]

Originally Posted by WorstThingUS

Wow. I can't believe they let her die. The hero failed. I'm hoping for some serious Two-Face beat down in the next issue. I don't see Nightwing showing any pity on him.

Did the woman whom Nighwing was dating die or just someone introduced in this issue?

[WorstThingUS]

Originally Posted by Mat001

For all you know, Bruce Jones thinks it's the greatest thing he's ever written.

In my mind he's giggling his ass off as he types, "Then Jason becomes the monster who swallows people whole..." The same way Miller was laughing when he wrote, "I'm the goddamned Batman."

[Seraku]

Originally Posted by Lester C.

Did the woman whom Nighwing was dating die or just someone introduced in this issue?

I go by the assumption that all Nightwing/Batgirl/Robin (since all 3 were based in Bludhaven at the time) supporting character we have not seen again for no given reason died when the city blew up

[WorstThingUS]

Originally Posted by Lester C.

Did the woman whom Nighwing was dating die or just someone introduced in this issue?

The DA he was trying to save was ultimately killed by Two Face.

Originally Posted by Seraku

I go by the assumption that all Nightwing/Batgirl/Robin (since all 3 were based in Bludhaven at the time) supporting character we have not seen again for no given reason died when the city blew up

Aw, I kinda liked Dudley Soames. Nite-Wing, however, I hope died in radioactive fire.