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Broblawsky0 · 05-12-2005, 08:41 AM

The problem is that while Eneru's most powerful attack might destroy a small island, that still won't stop Superman. Superman can shrug off strategic nuclear weapons. He can survive a moon getting exploded in his face. He can drain the energy from a bomb that can destroy a galaxy and wrestle beings whose heart muscles have enough coiled-up power to annihilate a city.

Eneru's only chance is if his lightning trigger's Superman's magic weakness, since he's apparently not immune to conventional force.

M203 · 05-12-2005, 08:55 AM

Well, with that information one can conclude that Eneru will be doing a lot of zortching, but it is still a physical plane attack; in order to take Superman one cannot afford to play Superman's game: Superman is capable of doing a lot more than simply striking a lighting entity and making said entity feel it; he's gonna K him TFO. Kryptonian strength is a problem in this area; even with martial arts, Eneru's gonna have problems blocking punches that that much force behind them.

The Drunkard Kid · 05-12-2005, 09:46 AM

Actually, he won't have to bother dodging anything from Clark. Eneru, having eaten an Elemental class Devil Fruit, is pretty much impervious to physical harm unless the person doing it is using sea stone, water or, in Eneru's specific case, made of solid rubber. Otherwise punching him would basically have the same effect as punching a lightning bolt, one would assume. Heck, he and Ace (another elemental Devil Fruit-ist) were outright impaled and didn't even seem to care (though how that squares with Eneru being KO'd by a huge lump of gold swung by Luffy, I don't know).

Broblawsky0 · 05-12-2005, 01:37 PM

Presumably, if Luffy could KO Eneru with a big lump of conductive metal, so could Superman. He could also fly into the ocean, make a giant waterspout, and drench the island.

ShinjiGohan · 05-12-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard Kid

Actually, he won't have to bother dodging anything from Clark. Eneru, having eaten an Elemental class Devil Fruit, is pretty much impervious to physical harm unless the person doing it is using sea stone, water or, in Eneru's specific case, made of solid rubber. Otherwise punching him would basically have the same effect as punching a lightning bolt, one would assume. Heck, he and Ace (another elemental Devil Fruit-ist) were outright impaled and didn't even seem to care (though how that squares with Eneru being KO'd by a huge lump of gold swung by Luffy, I don't know).

Because evidently you don't need sea stone, water or rubber to hit Eneru. Did the Reject dail use Rubber? Water? Sea Stone? No it didn't, it was just pure force. And as such, Superman should have no problem hitting Eneru and making him feel it.

G_Man · 05-12-2005, 04:20 PM

Actually, Eneru can swap between being solid and being living lightning. That's where he's screwed since Supes can obliterate him in the split second he needs to conciously will himself into lightning.

The Drunkard Kid · 05-13-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ShinjiGohan

Because evidently you don't need sea stone, water or rubber to hit Eneru. Did the Reject dail use Rubber? Water? Sea Stone? No it didn't, it was just pure force. And as such, Superman should have no problem hitting Eneru and making him feel it.

To be fair, didn't Eneru just get whacked with sea stone right before the Reject dial was used on him?

Trademark · 05-13-2005, 08:34 AM

The mantra doesn't really help that much. Eneru could read Luffy's gomu gomu no rifle, but he still couldn't react fast enough to dodge it. Superman is a lot faster than that.

Yeah, eneru was shot by a bullet made of sea stone before being hit with the reject dial.

Broblawsky0 · 05-13-2005, 10:18 AM

Even if Eneru is attack-resistant by default, it's irrelevant - the fight takes place on an island, so Supes can pretty much wash the island clean with a tidal wave and attack Eneru while he's forced into solid form by the seawater.

Crinos · 05-13-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Broblawsky0

Even if Eneru is attack-resistant by default, it's irrelevant - the fight takes place on an island, so Supes can pretty much wash the island clean with a tidal wave and attack Eneru while he's forced into solid form by the seawater.

Except Enreu can just shoot upward in order to avoid the wave then smack supes from above as he comes down.

G_Man · 05-13-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crinos

Except Enreu can just shoot upward in order to avoid the wave then smack supes from above as he comes down.

ANd that'll do, what? Unless his lightning counts as magical damage, Supes can take anything Eneru dishes out.

Crinos · 05-13-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by G_Man

ANd that'll do, what? Unless his lightning counts as magical damage, Supes can take anything Eneru dishes out.

the devil fruits are magical in nature.

so Enreu's power IS magical.

Which means it will hurt superman.

Broblawsky0 · 05-13-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crinos

the devil fruits are magical in nature.

so Enreu's power IS magical.

Which means it will hurt superman.

Not much, though. We go by high-end showings in CBR, which means we take the interpretations of Superman's magic vulnerability that are most to his advantage. Superman's best showing vs. magic, AFAIK, is getting sucker-punched TWICE by Captain Marvel - so hard Marvel hurt his hand afterwards - and only being KOed for a few minutes, and being back up to full a matter of seconds after getting up. Just because Eneru's power is magical doesn't mean it will actually do anything significant to Superman.

Also, even if Eneru avoids the tidal wave, Superman can use his super-lungs to suck in seawater and then spit it at Eneru at point-blank range for the win.

Smokey · 05-13-2005, 06:44 PM

he wont be able to get off the amount of magical lightning it would take to even hurt superman, he loses, plus superman is faster than lightning

also, superman isnt any more vulnerable to magic than anyone else, this isnt PC supes, its just magic effects him when usually everything else doesnt, he isnt at a disadvantage

05-12-2005, 08:55 AM	#17
M203 Mechanized Overkill Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,179	Well, with that information one can conclude that Eneru will be doing a lot of zortching, but it is still a physical plane attack; in order to take Superman one cannot afford to play Superman's game: Superman is capable of doing a lot more than simply striking a lighting entity and making said entity feel it; he's gonna K him TFO. Kryptonian strength is a problem in this area; even with martial arts, Eneru's gonna have problems blocking punches that that much force behind them. __________________ "Throwing up on the road vomiting is fun, motion sick all on the train we'll vomit 'till we're done, throw up on the corner, vomit on the floor..."~Excel Excel, The Vomit Song

05-12-2005, 09:46 AM	#18
The Drunkard Kid Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,651	Actually, he won't have to bother dodging anything from Clark. Eneru, having eaten an Elemental class Devil Fruit, is pretty much impervious to physical harm unless the person doing it is using sea stone, water or, in Eneru's specific case, made of solid rubber. Otherwise punching him would basically have the same effect as punching a lightning bolt, one would assume. Heck, he and Ace (another elemental Devil Fruit-ist) were outright impaled and didn't even seem to care (though how that squares with Eneru being KO'd by a huge lump of gold swung by Luffy, I don't know). __________________ "You're an elf. Your history is a very long love poem dedicated to bloodshed. And to yourselves." Official Board Ostrichizer

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G_Man It Ain't Easy being G... Join Date: May 2004 Location: Your guess is as good as mine... Posts: 3,913	Actually, Eneru can swap between being solid and being living lightning. That's where he's screwed since Supes can obliterate him in the split second he needs to conciously will himself into lightning. __________________ “Sir, there seems to be a leak in this room somewhere,” Zetsu said in bewilderment. “I think it’s water.” Tobi’s blood suddenly ran cold. The hose he used to water the plants flashed before his eyes. He couldn’t remember turning off the hose. Then the door blew off its hinges. It was as though a dam had burst. “It’s a flood!” Hidan yelled, sounding horrified as he clung to Kakuzu’s leg, refusing to let go. “God is smiting us!”

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05-12-2005, 08:41 AM	#16
Broblawsky0 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,814	The problem is that while Eneru's most powerful attack might destroy a small island, that still won't stop Superman. Superman can shrug off strategic nuclear weapons. He can survive a moon getting exploded in his face. He can drain the energy from a bomb that can destroy a galaxy and wrestle beings whose heart muscles have enough coiled-up power to annihilate a city. Eneru's only chance is if his lightning trigger's Superman's magic weakness, since he's apparently not immune to conventional force.

05-12-2005, 01:37 PM	#19
Broblawsky0 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,814	Presumably, if Luffy could KO Eneru with a big lump of conductive metal, so could Superman. He could also fly into the ocean, make a giant waterspout, and drench the island.

05-13-2005, 08:34 AM	#23
Trademark Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 225	The mantra doesn't really help that much. Eneru could read Luffy's gomu gomu no rifle, but he still couldn't react fast enough to dodge it. Superman is a lot faster than that. Yeah, eneru was shot by a bullet made of sea stone before being hit with the reject dial.

05-13-2005, 10:18 AM	#24
Broblawsky0 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,814	Even if Eneru is attack-resistant by default, it's irrelevant - the fight takes place on an island, so Supes can pretty much wash the island clean with a tidal wave and attack Eneru while he's forced into solid form by the seawater.

05-13-2005, 06:44 PM	#29
Smokey BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,599	he wont be able to get off the amount of magical lightning it would take to even hurt superman, he loses, plus superman is faster than lightning also, superman isnt any more vulnerable to magic than anyone else, this isnt PC supes, its just magic effects him when usually everything else doesnt, he isnt at a disadvantage