Batman developments in Final Crisis #7 (spoilers)

[Jmacq1]

It's beginning to sound like they've turned Batman into Hawkman....

[Elitehaxxor]

I don't know if anyone said this or not, but is it possible that they will do a Batman in the past type book? Like TOR with Bruce Wayne instead of the caveman? It may have been done too many times already, the whole prehistoric time thing, but it may be cool with Bruce as the lead character.

[HaroldAllnut]

Originally Posted by Jmacq1

It's beginning to sound like they've turned Batman into Hawkman....

There's absolutely no way, even with Professor Nichols' time-meddling, that Bruce's history will ever become as convoluted as Carter's.

[Paul McEnery]

You know, I could very easily be nerdy enough to get that miracle machine emblem as a tattoo.

[Mat001]

Originally Posted by Elitehaxxor

I don't know if anyone said this or not, but is it possible that they will do a Batman in the past type book? Like TOR with Bruce Wayne instead of the caveman? It may have been done too many times already, the whole prehistoric time thing, but it may be cool with Bruce as the lead character.

I'm think that Morrison might do that one. It's right up his alley.

[Captain Jim]

Originally Posted by Elitehaxxor

I don't know if anyone said this or not, but is it possible that they will do a Batman in the past type book?

Originally Posted by Captain Jim

I'm curious as to whether one of the batbooks post-BFTC might feature the adventures of a lost-in-time Bruce Wayne.

Yep, someone did.

[Captain Jim]

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[Jonesy47]

Why does everyone think that batmans in the past?
He's trapped in the universe that died at the end of 52.
You can tell, because when you see the cavemen in the beginning of final crisis, there's a dilapitated statue of liberty and the time capsule with "earths last story" and batmans utility belt in it.

I think that the caveman land was existing simultaneously to Final Crisis and that the metron symbol on their heads kept their universe from being affected.

[BenjaminAndrewMoore]

Originally Posted by Jonesy47

Why does everyone think that batmans in the past?
He's trapped in the universe that died at the end of 52.
You can tell, because when you see the cavemen in the beginning of final crisis, there's a dilapitated statue of liberty and the time capsule with "earths last story" and batmans utility belt in it.

First of all, that was Countdown, not 52. Secondly, ignore Countdown's existence. Thirdly, there's no dilapidated Statue of Liberty where Bruce and the caveman are. The caveman had a bad dream with said statue in it, in Final Crisis #1, but that wasn't physically happening.

[Red_Knight]

So, I just reread FC#7, and something occured to me:

Can we be sure the shadowy guy on the last page is really Bruce? I mean, sure, that's what we all assumed, ... but there's an entirely different possibility I haven't seen mentioned so far:

As the aged Anthro sits by the fire, the time capsule that the heroes of New Earth sent into space can be seen in the distance. (Go check it out. It's clearly visible!) We know that the ship contained a number of mementos from New Earth, among them the final issue of the Daily Planet (which reported the death of Batman) and a miniature bat signal. What if the suit Batman wore on his final adventure was included as well? It's possible; -- the cape and cowl can be seen draped over the arm rest of the Moebius Chair as Superman and Kara work on the Miracle Machine, so Bruce was definitely not buried in costume. Maybe the rest of the outfit found its way into the time capsule and was simply taken by an impresssed caveman, -- much like young Anthro accepted the gift of fire from Metron. There'd be an undeniable symmetry to that, and we know how much Morrison likes those.

If you take a close look at the pants our prehistoric mystery man is wearing, you'll notice that they seem to have the same tears and holes as the pants we last see Batman in. This could be a conincidence, of course. Then again, it might not.

Besides, if the Omega Beams had simply transported Bruce to the past, the smouldering corpse that Superman finds at Command-D shouldn't exist. It has been established that the Omega Beams can send an individual to another time, but I don't think we've ever seen anything left behind in those cases. If you think about it for a second, it doesn't make a lick of sense, either. In order to accept the notion that Bruce was sent back in time, we'd have to assume that the Omega Effect somehow manufactured a burned, fully costumed decoy corpse in his place. I find that hard to buy.

The caption on the last page of FC#7 says, "But the fire burns forever". I'm not sure that statement fits the idea of a time-displaced Bruce drawing on cave walls. It does, however, fit the image of someone new -- inspired by Batman like Anthro was by Metron -- taking over the job of the "story keeper", though.

What do you think?

[Green-lantern-king]

its for sure thats batman at the last page,do to the fact that batman's lost in time,he probably got sent that far back in time

[Green-lantern-king]

its for sure thats batman at the last page,do to the fact that batman's lost in time,he probably got sent that far back in time.But maybe theres a possibility that his mind and spirit got transfered to a different person back in time by the beams.

[Green-lantern-king]

Originally Posted by Jonesy47

Why does everyone think that batmans in the past?
He's trapped in the universe that died at the end of 52.
You can tell, because when you see the cavemen in the beginning of final crisis, there's a dilapitated statue of liberty and the time capsule with "earths last story" and batmans utility belt in it.

I think that the caveman land was existing simultaneously to Final Crisis and that the metron symbol on their heads kept their universe from being affected.

its already been confirmed that batman's in the past,what has not been confirmed is he in that cave with the cavemen,and if not were in point in time he is

[carabas]

Originally Posted by Red_Knight

So, I just reread FC#7, and something occured to me:

Can we be sure the shadowy guy on the last page is really Bruce?

Yes. Because Morrison isn't reallly one to lie about such things in interviews.

If you think about it for a second, it doesn't make a lick of sense, either. In order to accept the notion that Bruce was sent back in time, we'd have to assume that the Omega Effect somehow manufactured a burned, fully costumed decoy corpse in his place. I find that hard to buy.

The decoy Bat-Corpse was one of Mokari's failed Batman-clone army, as per Batman & Robin #8.

[Green-lantern-king]

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