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Ilostmyplace · 12-11-2009, 01:59 AM

This is just to all those Dan DiDio was the one who made Grant Morrison change the death of Bruce Wayne in Final Crisis. Now let us all just sit back and think. Who owns DC Comics. That's right "Time Warner" owns them. Now what dose this have to do with Bruce Wayne. Nothing but this. In a big company like Time Warner. Names like Bruce Wayne come up on there desk. And the reason there being is that Bruce Wayne's name next to Batman makes them a lot of money. You know stuff like this.

And this...

And movies like this...

And this...

http://bwmovies.net/php/movies/images/Dark%20Knight.jpg

And not forgetting cartoons...

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/P...nimated-03.jpg

So, who was the original reason to why Grant Morrison change the death of Bruce Wayne in Final Crisis. Can't be Dan DiDio because he was behind Grant Morrison the whole time. In fact Dan DiDio backed up Morrison until he started having meetings about his contract renewal with the owners of DC Comics. Or with Time Warner people. And Dan DiDio's contract is renewed and Morrison changes the ending to the death of Bruce Wayne. And now The Return of Bruce Wayne is now coming out soon. How odd.

DKR · 12-11-2009, 09:39 AM

They never said they were going to kill him anyway.

WorstThingUS · 12-11-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DKR

They never said they were going to kill him anyway.

It's always cute when someone thinks they've discovered something only to completely off base.

Bruce Wayne was never supposed to die any more than Steve Rogers was supposed to die. The return of both characters was planned from the beginning.

Sn4tcH · 12-11-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WorstThingUS

The return of both characters was planned from the beginning.

Not just planned, but advertised and never kept a secret. Day after FC #6 came I bet Didio had already said the death wasn't permanent.

iduckles · 12-11-2009, 11:20 AM

I seem to recall reading interviews with Morrison around the time of the RIP storyline and he was quite clear that this was not the death of Bruce Wayne, but the end of Wayne as Batman. (Something I hope they keep even with the return of Bruce. He can come back and not be Batman right?)

Mat001 · 12-11-2009, 12:44 PM

Grant Morrison, Mike Siglan and Dan DiDio had already planned on Bruce's return way back when "Final Crisis" and "R.I.P." were being planned out. Morrison was even told to change the last page of issue 7, so that it was clear that Bruce was still alive and in the past. And Morrison has said that he had plans for more stories with Dick and Damian, beyond Bruce's return. Which is what we're seeing now.

AJM · 12-11-2009, 12:59 PM

If Time Warner wanted to ensure they make maximum profits from the Batman line, they would probably ask DC to keep Bruce Wayne away for longer. Because the fact is the Batbooks are more popular now, without Bruce, than they were when he was in them.

Yes, The Dark Knight is one the biggest-grossing films of all time – but the Batbooks (Batman And Robin in particular, obviously) are presently doing a roaring trade in a declining market. Time Warner don't give a toss about Bruce Wayne, they just want to see the money. So right now they must be incredibly pleased, and that's without Bruce in the role.

Sn4tcH · 12-11-2009, 01:37 PM

If Time Warner would have had anything to do with it, don't you think they would have said something about RIP and Final Crisis anyway?

Batman RIP started in June, and Dark Knight came out in July. I remember knowing that Bruce was going to be gone for a while even before RIP started, so it must have been common knowledge well before TDK came out that Bruce was going away for a while. Why would Time Warner allow the star of their upcoming film to be allowed to "die"?

Though, I have read that the movie side of the comic business has very little to do with the comics themselves. Both in influence and sales. Apparently trades will sell better when a movie releases, but the books on the shelves rarely spike.

**Captain Jim** · 12-11-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilostmyplace

This is just to all those Dan DiDio was the one who made Grant Morrison change the death of Bruce Wayne in Final Crisis. Now let us all just sit back and think. Who owns DC Comics. That's right "Time Warner" owns them. Now what dose this have to do with Bruce Wayne. Nothing but this. In a big company like Time Warner. Names like Bruce Wayne come up on there desk. And the reason there being is that Bruce Wayne's name next to Batman makes them a lot of money. You know stuff like this.

So, who was the original reason to why Grant Morrison change the death of Bruce Wayne in Final Crisis. Can't be Dan DiDio because he was behind Grant Morrison the whole time. In fact Dan DiDio backed up Morrison until he started having meetings about his contract renewal with the owners of DC Comics. Or with Time Warner people. And Dan DiDio's contract is renewed and Morrison changes the ending to the death of Bruce Wayne. And now The Return of Bruce Wayne is now coming out soon. How odd.

It's very difficult to understand what you're trying to say here or what your point is. However, Grant Morrison did say in an interview that it was Didio who wanted Bruce Wayne to "die" in Final Crisis. Presumably Morrison had intended to go directly from RIP to B&R.

DetectiveDupin · 12-11-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Jim

It's very difficult to understand what you're trying to say here or what your point is. However, Grant Morrison did say in an interview that it was Didio who wanted Bruce Wayne to "die" in Final Crisis. Presumably Morrison had intended to go directly from RIP to B&R.

You're right. Didio wanted Batman's death in there as well, I think to boost the hype. It worked fairly well in the end, IMO. We're getting Pirate Batman!!!

Sn4tcH · 12-11-2009, 07:11 PM

I never really thought of that... I wonder what the story would have been had Batman just not come back after RIP...

DetectiveDupin · 12-11-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sn4tcH

I never really thought of that... I wonder what the story would have been had Batman just not come back after RIP...

I think the Devil would have actually appeared and would have been less ambiguous, thus infuriating fans further. Things worked for the best, I think.

AJM · 12-11-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sn4tcH

I never really thought of that... I wonder what the story would have been had Batman just not come back after RIP...

Morrison's said a few times that he'd like readers to be able to read his Batman run independently of FC, but then DC put those two extra issues in the RIP trade so it pretty much screws that up. Also, the next arc seems to tie into BN too... although we don't how much yet.

AJM · 12-11-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DetectiveDupin

I think the Devil would have actually appeared and would have been less ambiguous, thus infuriating fans further. Things worked for the best, I think.

I don't think so. I suspect the Devil has always been part of a plan of a larger showdown later on, perhaps the original final arc of B&R that was announced last year. Damian mentions this in #666, so i expect we would eventually see the true Devil then. But everything seems to be changing constantly, so who knows what's happening now.

12-11-2009, 01:59 AM	#1
Ilostmyplace Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 210	To everyone who thinks The Return of Bruce Wayne was all Dan DiDio??? This is just to all those Dan DiDio was the one who made Grant Morrison change the death of Bruce Wayne in Final Crisis. Now let us all just sit back and think. Who owns DC Comics. That's right "Time Warner" owns them. Now what dose this have to do with Bruce Wayne. Nothing but this. In a big company like Time Warner. Names like Bruce Wayne come up on there desk. And the reason there being is that Bruce Wayne's name next to Batman makes them a lot of money. You know stuff like this. And this... And movies like this... And this... http://bwmovies.net/php/movies/images/Dark%20Knight.jpg And not forgetting cartoons... http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/P...nimated-03.jpg So, who was the original reason to why Grant Morrison change the death of Bruce Wayne in Final Crisis. Can't be Dan DiDio because he was behind Grant Morrison the whole time. In fact Dan DiDio backed up Morrison until he started having meetings about his contract renewal with the owners of DC Comics. Or with Time Warner people. And Dan DiDio's contract is renewed and Morrison changes the ending to the death of Bruce Wayne. And now The Return of Bruce Wayne is now coming out soon. How odd.

12-11-2009, 01:37 PM	#8
Sn4tcH Continuity Is Life Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Joliet, Il. Posts: 1,949	If Time Warner would have had anything to do with it, don't you think they would have said something about RIP and Final Crisis anyway? Batman RIP started in June, and Dark Knight came out in July. I remember knowing that Bruce was going to be gone for a while even before RIP started, so it must have been common knowledge well before TDK came out that Bruce was going away for a while. Why would Time Warner allow the star of their upcoming film to be allowed to "die"? Though, I have read that the movie side of the comic business has very little to do with the comics themselves. Both in influence and sales. Apparently trades will sell better when a movie releases, but the books on the shelves rarely spike. __________________ Libaax: (Grant Morrison) is so fresh, a god of superhero comics and (you should) worship his world of Batman.

12-11-2009, 07:11 PM	#11
Sn4tcH Continuity Is Life Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Joliet, Il. Posts: 1,949	I never really thought of that... I wonder what the story would have been had Batman just not come back after RIP... __________________ Libaax: (Grant Morrison) is so fresh, a god of superhero comics and (you should) worship his world of Batman.

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12-11-2009, 09:39 AM	#2
DKR I am Zero. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: I hardly think that's any of your business. Posts: 2,570	They never said they were going to kill him anyway.

12-11-2009, 11:20 AM	#5
iduckles Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 179	I seem to recall reading interviews with Morrison around the time of the RIP storyline and he was quite clear that this was not the death of Bruce Wayne, but the end of Wayne as Batman. (Something I hope they keep even with the return of Bruce. He can come back and not be Batman right?)

12-11-2009, 12:44 PM	#6
Mat001 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8,303	Grant Morrison, Mike Siglan and Dan DiDio had already planned on Bruce's return way back when "Final Crisis" and "R.I.P." were being planned out. Morrison was even told to change the last page of issue 7, so that it was clear that Bruce was still alive and in the past. And Morrison has said that he had plans for more stories with Dick and Damian, beyond Bruce's return. Which is what we're seeing now.

12-11-2009, 12:59 PM	#7
AJM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,667	If Time Warner wanted to ensure they make maximum profits from the Batman line, they would probably ask DC to keep Bruce Wayne away for longer. Because the fact is the Batbooks are more popular now, without Bruce, than they were when he was in them. Yes, The Dark Knight is one the biggest-grossing films of all time – but the Batbooks (Batman And Robin in particular, obviously) are presently doing a roaring trade in a declining market. Time Warner don't give a toss about Bruce Wayne, they just want to see the money. So right now they must be incredibly pleased, and that's without Bruce in the role.