The Long Halloween

[Sn4tcH]

Loeb hasn't written anything readable since Superman/Batman started, and even that is debatable. But he's only gotten worse since.

[DetectiveDupin]

Originally Posted by Sn4tcH

Loeb hasn't written anything readable since Superman/Batman started, and even that is debatable. But he's only gotten worse since.

I'm convinced Loeb's work is best when he writes Batman or his "color" series for Marvel.

[DKR]

It's right up there with The Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Totally get Dark Victory if you like this one.

[RubberLotus]

Originally Posted by DetectiveDupin

I'm convinced Loeb's work is best when he writes Batman or his "color" series for Marvel.

As someone else has said before, Tim Sale's art magically boosts his writing quality 1000%.

[carabas]

Originally Posted by RubberLotus

As someone else has said before, Tim Sale's art magically boosts his writing quality 1000%.

I think the difference is that, when you look at the credit, it does not say "Jeph Loeb: writer". It saysLoeb & Sale: storytellers.
Obviously, Sale has a bigger influence the story than on Loeb's works with other artists.

[Mulbard]

Originally Posted by Quinnhop

Loeb needs to stop writing shitty "Ultimate"-verse stuff for Marvel and work with Sale on his next Batman project. It should take the year-long style and change it to a five year-long epic, detailing Robin's growth into Nightwing and Jason Todd's becoming Robin. Use it as a way to change Todd back to being the red-head that he was Pre-Crisis.

I quite liked Nightwing: Year One myself, and don't think Loeb needs to bother (especially considering he isn't as good as he used to be)

[Mateus_ds]

Originally Posted by Captain Jim

To further elaborate, this Barbara Gordon was Jim Gordon's first wife. She is also the mother of their son. The Barbara Gordon who was formerly Batgirl and is now Oracle is Jim Gordon's biological niece, his brother's child. When this Barbara's parents were both killed, Jim adopted her. Jim was later married again to Sarah Essen, who was later killed by the Joker in No Man's Land.

well that clears up the "gordon has a son? i thought he had a daughter?!?" question from TDK movie.
thanks jim!

[Brack360]

I voted "probably." Dark Victory is a great story but is certainly not necessary for The Long Halloween. If anything, I thought DV was a little disappointing because it was too derivative of TLH, which was a more unique and original story. Unlike TLH, DV has a straightforward ending.

Originally Posted by gocryemokid

Oh one more question ( I couldn't edit my post idk why? )

Since when is Barbara Gordon Jim's wife? Isn't that his daughter?

You need to read Batman: Year One, not only because it's one of the best Batman stories ever but because The Long Halloween picks right up where Year One left off. Year One introduces Jim's wife, a separate character also named Barbara.