INFINITE CRISIS: Chronologies *SPOILERS*

[PaulTiberius]

Ok, a few quick questions for you guys. I've spent the last 3-4 hours going over this and racking my brain, and there are still several things that I have in different places than you guys do.

With that said, where I may be wrong is there are a few titles I don't buy, and that I just flip through at the comic shop to help me piece things together.

Do any ofyou have a list of each comic that has been related too/tied in to this whole story line, or has made any reference? A few titles I don't get on a regular basis are Catwoman, Birds of Prey, Gotham Central, and Wonder woman. I have picked up a few issues from these here and there, but I may be missing stuff, which would lead you guys to be correct and for me to be wrong. Most of my stuff i have just written down, but you guys have intrigued me to sit down and put it in a spread sheet and try to get mine up here. Could really help us all out. I've done a lot of timeline pieces in the past (for school)...but most of it has been real events (such as sports, cause i'm a sports nut), or when I went to my Bible school trying to piece together pieces of the Bible with pieces in history books...making them work.

So if any of you have a list of all the books so far, I could grab what I've missed, or at least go to my comic shop and make notes. I spend enough money there they'd let me "library" out some books some day

Thanks

I suspect this is what you're looking for, though I can't personally vouch for its completeness:
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/t...37090&tstart=0

[d newton]

I did. Things that are missing from the timeline:
- most of Wonder Woman 220 (only the epilogue is listed in Version 1).
- the incorrect placing of Birds of Prey 87. Why is this issue listed before the last page of OMAC Project 6?
- What do all of the bracketed entries mean i.e (Robin 132).

[PaulTiberius]

I did. Things that are missing from the timeline:
- most of Wonder Woman 220 (only the epilogue is listed in Version 1).
- the incorrect placing of Birds of Prey 87. Why is this issue listed before the last page of OMAC Project 6?
- What do all of the bracketed entries mean i.e (Robin 132).

D Newton, thanks for the questions.

WW 220 is confusing, I see. I put (ep) next to it only to denote that it is an immediate epilogue to "Sacrifice." The embedded note says that, but doesn't explicitly say why I put (ep) in it. I'll have to rethink that for V 2.0.

As the embedded note to BoP 87 says, I have deliberately disregarded the reference to the Wonder Woman footage. In post #36 of this thread, I explained in more detail why.

The parenthesis in my spreadsheet are always with the grey-colored items. That just means I am not explicitly placing them on the days they appear to be in, row-wise. They are only located approximately.

Incidentally, what does your "I did" remark refer to? :)

[d newton]

As the embedded note to BoP 87 says, I have deliberately disregarded the reference to the Wonder Woman footage. In post #36 of this thread, I explained in more detail why.

Why discard an important detail like that in the above issue when other books reference it as well (OMAC Project 4 & 6, Teen Titans 29-30, Infinite Crisis 1, JSA 76, Adventures 643, Wonder Woman 219 to 221 & JLA 118).

Incidentally, what does your "I did" remark refer to?

Your timeline - check the sentence directly after it. ;)

The Afghanistan mission was in Robin #142. The Bludhaven OMAC action and fallout is in Robin #143-145.

From pt 2 under your comments about Robin's timeline:

And they are in-flight from the conclusion of the Afghan adventure when the OMAC's attack.

You're telling me that Robin and his military team get attacked by OMAC's between issue 142 pg 22 & issue 143 pg 10 but I don't see any evidence comic wise to support that.

[PaulTiberius]

Why discard an important detail like that in the above issue when other books reference it as well (OMAC Project 4 & 6, Teen Titans 29-30, Infinite Crisis 1, JSA 76, Adventures 643, Wonder Woman 219 to 221 & JLA 118).

Um, you're not making much sense here. All the books you mention reference Wonder Woman's attack or the footage of it and then proceed to tell stories that clearly fit within the timeframe of those events. BoP 87-90 don't. It's pretty simple. The reference in BoP 87 was in no way "an important detail" to the BoP story. It was background noise in terms of the plot, so it's discarded as an accurate time reference.

You're telling me that Robin and his military team get attacked by OMAC's between issue 142 pg 22 & issue 143 pg 10 but I don't see any evidence comic wise to support that.

Again, that's very confused, and I don't really know what I could have said to suggest this. Robin and a military team have a fight in Afghanistan in Robin #142. They are flying back to Bludhaven in Robin #143 when they see that OMACs are attacking Bludhaven. They join the battle.

[sudoku]

I suppose it's arguable to relocate that one, but I'd say it isn't absolutely necessary, since we're already resigned to "shuffling" the order of scenes in InfC #1 no matter what.

This is more than just shuffling scenes, as the newscast uses words like "live" (from los angeles) to describe the titans scene, and "today" (in alaska). This is one of the firmest indicators we have for establishing when two separate stories relate to each other. Both events are also essential to the scene since it is the Titans' battle that leads to Superboy's communicator beeping (and causing him to nearly join his teammates) and the Luthor story that convinces him to close his shirt and sit this one out.

Alternately, one could stretch the JSA tale across two days, if necessary (especially given the "mystic" goings-on)... but what establishes that JSAC #4 is exactly simultaneous with that story, anyway?

When Power Girl returns to the JSA HQ (in JSAC 4), Ma Hunkle tells her the team is off fighting Mordru.

(Either way, what really bugs me is that there's never an explanation for why Superman just gives up on finding Luthor sometime after the end of #224, and moves on to other things.)

Yeah, that was weird!

[d newton]

Um, you're not making much sense here. All the books you mention reference Wonder Woman's attack or the footage of it and then proceed to tell stories that clearly fit within the timeframe of those events. BoP 87-90 don't. It's pretty simple. The reference in BoP 87 was in no way "an important detail" to the BoP story. It was background noise in terms of the plot, so it's discarded as an accurate time reference.

I'm not making much sense? You can't chuck out 1 issue of Birds of Prey just because it won't fit with 4 other issues I've listed (Teen Titans 29-30, Infinite Crisis 1 & WW 221) showing Diana killing Max via Brother Eye on national TV! :D

[PaulTiberius]

I'm not making much sense? You can't chuck out 1 issue of Birds of Prey just because it won't fit with 4 other issues I've listed (Teen Titans 29-30, Infinite Crisis 1 & WW 221) showing Diana killing Max via Brother Eye on national TV! :D

My reasoning is sound, and detailed earlier in this thread. Not much more I can say than that.

[lawman]

[Re: the Conner scene in InfC #1] This is more than just shuffling scenes, as the newscast uses words like "live" (from los angeles) to describe the titans scene, and "today" (in alaska). This is one of the firmest indicators we have for establishing when two separate stories relate to each other. Both events are also essential to the scene since it is the Titans' battle that leads to Superboy's communicator beeping (and causing him to nearly join his teammates) and the Luthor story that convinces him to close his shirt and sit this one out.

Okay, you make a very persuasive case. The scene also ties into one in Titans #30, set at "4:34 pm" on Monday in Smallville.

Of course, this has ripple effects, specifically as concerns the various Superman crossovers. So, let's see what this (and other stuff we've discussed) does to my overall structure. How's this for a revision:

Day "0" (Friday)
OMAC Project #6 (end), WW #221
(Footage of Max's death is broadcast worldwide)

Day 1 (Saturday)
JLA #119 (end), Adv. Superman #645 (Watchtower is destroyed)
-- note: Lois in middle east
JLA #120(JLAers gather at cave, then Batman leaves for moon)
InfC #1 (selected scenes: Big 3 battle Mongul and each other on moon; Society ambushes Freedom Fighters)
JLA #121 (Arthur attempts to regroup JLA, contacts Nightwing)
JSA #77 (JSA encounters Donna approaching Earth)

Day 2 (Sunday)
JLA #122-23 (Donna recruits Supergirl & RT in NYC)
WW #222 (Diana surrenders to ICC; Donna & Kara visit; fights Cheetah)
InfC #1 (cont'd), DoV #5-6, Gotham Central #37 (Rock of Eternity detonates over Gotham)
-- follows longer-than-apparent continuity gap in DoV #5
Outsiders #29-31 (first scene) (7 Deadly Sins attack Alcatraz; Donna recruits Starfire, Jade, & Shift)
Titans #29 (Donna recruits Cyborg; Red Hood attacks Tim)
-- reference to "breaking footage" of Max's death is inaccurate (possibly a recording?)
JLA #124-25 (Key defeated in Gotham)
Superman #223 (Supergirl bids farewell to Clark, in Peru)
Hawkman #47-48 (fight Komand'r; prequel to Donna's arrival at Polaris)
JSA #78-80 (JSA goes to Fate's tower & 5th dimension)
InfC #1 (Bloodhaven scene: night) Donna says goodbye to Dick; OMACs change protocol
Action #832 (Spectre, now without Eclipso, visits Metropolis)
-- note: Lois in Metropolis; date given as Halloween (10/31)

Day 3 (Monday)
InfC #2 (opening scenes: morning) (Animal Man leaves; Freedom Fighters news breaks)
Titans #30-31 (Brother Blood attacks)
InfC #1 (Smallville scene: afternoon) (Conner learns of Titans battle & Luthor flight on TV)
Superman #224 (Luthor in arctic; Superman attempts to find him)
-- note: Lois in Metropolis
Firestorm #20 (Donna & crew in space)
Outsiders #31-32 (Donna & co in space, vs. Komand'r)
InfC #1 (climax) (Kal-L & co. escape Alex's "prison" dimension)

Day 4 (Tuesday)
InfC #2 (main story) (Kal-L rescues Power Girl, explains her history)
Adv. Superman #646-47 (final unmasking of Ruin)
-- note: Lois now in Europe: visits Diana in Hague, then goes to Zurich
Outsiders #33 (team captures one Society outpost)

Day 5 (Wednesday)
WW #223 (wee hours) (learns of new OMAC attack on Themyscira)
InfC #2 (final scenes) & #3, Aquaman #37, WW #224 (Spectre destroys Atlantis; Batman argues with Brother Eye & meets Kal-L; Diana sends Themyscira away; the two Luthors meet)
-- note "43 minute" span of entire Batcave sequence in InfC #2-3
Superman #225 (S. flies west -- with brief stop in El Paso per InfC #3 -- to fight fires)
-- Lois back in U.S. Also note the night sky on pg. 5 when S. departs.
JSA #81 (side battle in Philly)
DoV Special (Rock of Eternity reconstructed, Spectre finally defeated)

Day 6 (Thursday)
InfC #4 (wee hours) (Chemo dropped on Bludhaven)
Adv. Superman #648 (Superman & others assist in Bludhaven)
InfC #4 (daytime) (Superboy-Prime battles Conner, Titans & JSA)
Robin #146 (Robin & Titans seek cure for Conner)
-- first page elides a large continuity gap
InfC #4 (Alex activates machine, "restores" Earth-2)

... and so on from there. Of course, it's all still provisional... any issues not yet incorporated may force adjustments in the overall sequence. (And how do we account for the fact that Adv. Superman #648 places the Bludhaven attack at 12:51 AM on a Friday? Is there an extra day in there somewhere I'm overlooking, or should that caption be ignored?...)

[d newton]

Need any more help with your timeline, Paul? :D ;)

[sudoku]

Of course, this has ripple effects, specifically as concerns the various Superman crossovers. So, let's see what this (and other stuff we've discussed) does to my overall structure. How's this for a revision:

This seems to work very well! I'm still sticking to the "everything blows up on sunday night" theory, but I'll admit, you have a good structure for the multiple days argument here.

I do have one question - what made you break IC 2 in half over two days?

[bungi43]

Bungi43-

I don't follow every single DC book either, and I'd be the last to say my list of what's involved is "authoritative." That said, the titles and issues we've discussed here -- in Sudoku's initial posts, and on the sites that have been directly linked -- should provide more than enough information to make sense of things. (At least, as much sense as is reasonably possible.)

Were there any specific points where your reading of events differed with what one or the other of us has put forward?

Now i'd have to go back and look, b/c I have forgotten some of this...you guys write a lot. But some of the things I questioned involved some events in books I just flipped through and didn't buy. So my memory on this could be very hazy.

I'll get back with you. I may involve the owner of my comic book shop for help

[lawman]

I do have one question - what made you break IC 2 in half over two days?

Well, the opening scenes of InfC #2 need to occur as early as possible (with the news of the Freedom Fighters' fate, as you noted -- and also Buddy's departure, which follows Donna's departure but still needs to precede certain crossover adventures in space)...

...but the main part of the story has to follow Kal'L & co's "escape," which has to follow the Superboy scene (and thus the Luthor/arctic crossover) which, as you pointed out, falls unavoidably on Monday afternoon...

..but the final scenes (including Bruce in the cave, and Diana on Themyscira) lead directly into stuff in issue #3, and need to follow other events such as, e.g., Lois' visit to Diana in the Hague, which can't plausibly be on the same day as the Luthor crossover issue just above...

...so, that's just how it all worked out.

Any thoughts on the Chemo "Friday" reference, though?... I'm still mulling that over...

[sudoku]

Any thoughts on the Chemo "Friday" reference, though?... I'm still mulling that over...

At the beginning of the issue, it's "friday," but by the end, it's "wednesday," at least in my copy of adventures 648. One of them is a goof.

[lawman]

At the beginning of the issue, it's "friday," but by the end, it's "wednesday," at least in my copy of adventures 648. One of them is a goof.

Heh! Well, split the difference and it's Thursday! ;)

(I admit I'd only skimmed the issue thus far, not read it in detail...)