INFINITE CRISIS: Chronologies *SPOILERS*

[PaulTiberius]

Sudoku:
Just curious as to why you placed Birds of Prey issue 87 (Day 9) between OMAC 6 pgs 20 & 21 (Days 8 & 13). Pg 20 panel 2 of the former has Oracle seeing Max's dead body on TV [which would place this issue afterwards] and commenting on why Diana did this.

In my own chronology, I've deliberately thrown out this reference to the footage. It's simply impossible to make work.

[PaulTiberius]

It's a little confusing, but I did mean "before." The epilogue to OMAC 6 (the broadcasting of the footage) takes place after the main story in JLA 115-119 (but possibly before the epilogue in 119). In Teen Titans 29 and Adventures of Superman 645, we see that the broadcast of the footage and the destruction of the Watchtower happen within minutes or hours of each other.

Certain Leaguers know about Wonder Woman's actions ahead of the broadcast, of course. Apparently, Zatanna is among them. Presumably, Black Canary would know as well (since she was the one running things on the Watchtower when it happened), which makes Oracle's ignorance of the event in Birds of Prey 87 even more odd.

I am almost prepared to declare "Irreconcilable Continuity Error!"

As a side note, in JSA #76, the Society seems to be aware of Max Lord's death just about as soon as it happens. There's no way to make the last page of OMAC #6 be on the same day as the Libya battle -- not if you want to fit in all the other DCU material. In any case, even the last few pages of that issue seem to allow a passage of some time. How long after the Libya battle is it when Batman goes to the Checkmate castle and kisses Sasha?

[PaulTiberius]

Any thoughts on where Supergirl 1 to 3 go on your timeline, Sudoku? ;)

I, for one, haven't been able to place Supergirl either. The Outsiders stuff makes things difficult. Presumably they have a new headquarters for stowing their jet somewhere.

[d newton]

In my own chronology, I've deliberately thrown out this reference to the footage. It's simply impossible to make work.

You chucked out the reference to the footage? Why?

[shaxper]

A terrifying amount to total, I'm sure!

[PaulTiberius]

You chucked out the reference to the footage? Why?

Birds of Prey #87-90 covers several days, including a Green Arrow/Black Canary jaunt in Star City that is already difficult to reconcile with JLA #115-119 and JLA #120-125.

The BoP arc begins with a bright, happy day in Metropolis (on which Barbara supposedly sees a news report of the footage -- and regards it rather casually), and ends with Batman involved in worrying about something as pedestrian as Huntress stirring up trouble among the Gotham crime families. There is no way these events can be simultaneous with the drama of Infinite Crisis, yet the release of the Wonder Woman footage is unquestionably set on the day Infinite Crisis really gets going.

The footage is a throwaway reference, nothing more. So I figure we're pretty safe throwing it away. It's unfortunate, but there's no alternative.

[PaulTiberius]

A terrifying amount to total, I'm sure!

Yeah. On average, I think I've spent more than $200 a month on comics the past year.

[d newton]

Birds of Prey #87-90 covers several days, including a Green Arrow/Black Canary jaunt in Star City that is already difficult to reconcile with JLA #115-119 and JLA #120-125. The BoP arc begins with a bright, happy day in Metropolis (on which Barbara supposedly sees a news report of the footage -- and regards it rather casually), and ends with Batman involved in worrying about something as pedestrian as Huntress stirring up trouble among the Gotham crime families. There is no way these events can be simultaneous with the drama of Infinite Crisis, yet the release of the Wonder Woman footage is unquestionably set on the day Infinite Crisis really gets going.

Not according to pg 1 of this thread which has this sequence of events:
Day 9 -
Birds of Prey 87.

Day 10 -
Birds of Prey 88.
JLA 115, 116.

Day 11 -
JLA 117 to 119 pg 19.

Day 12 -
JLA 120 to 123.

Day 13 -
JLA 119 pgs 20 to 22.

[PaulTiberius]

Okaayyyy... slightly confused. But I see that we now have two threads merged into one here. Got it.

Not according to pg 1 of this thread which has this sequence of events:
Day 9 -
Birds of Prey 87.

Day 10 -
Birds of Prey 88.
JLA 115, 116.

Day 11 -
JLA 117 to 119 pg 19.

Day 12 -
JLA 120 to 123.

Day 13 -
JLA 119 pgs 20 to 22.

Ah. Well, that's Ed Sudoku's chronology, which I highly respect, but disagree with on a number of points. He has built a timeline that involves just two weeks between the opening chapter of Countdown and the beginning of Infinite Crisis. I believe it must be four weeks.

As I say on SBC, my chronology involves interpretations and resolutions of inconsistencies that are entirely my own. And there are certainly places where I may revise my chronology later ... though the footage reference in Birds of Prey #87 is not something I can reconcile, I don't think ever.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I believe Ed ignores the footage reference as incorrect also. Ed?

(Incidentally, Ed and I have had a good exchange of ideas in private emails, regarding the differences and similarities in our respective chonologies. We may yet find ourselves borrowing ideas from each other in future revisions of our respective works.)

[Paul Newell]

Okaayyyy... slightly confused. But I see that we now have two threads merged into one here. Got it.

Yep. Sorry, I shoulda put a post up explaining...There seemed to be a lot of "cross conversation" going on so I merged the threads.

BTW, there's a sort of chronology happening here which could use a bit of help. :)

[PaulTiberius]

Yep. Sorry, I shoulda put a post up explaining...There seemed to be a lot of "cross conversation" going on so I merged the threads.

BTW, there's a sort of chronology happening here which could use a bit of help. :)

Newell, you have certainly done a lot of good work on that thread! Have you downloaded my Excel file from SBC to see how I've placed things according to my research? You might be able to find a few references in your own list that are out of order. Forgive me for not wanting to go through your material and make suggestions ... I'm really in need of a break, before I get going on a Version 2 for my chronology.

Plus, I'd definitely appreciate any comments from you on things in my project that look out of order!

[Paul Newell]

Thanks Tiberius, will do. :)

[PatrickG]

I, for one, haven't been able to place Supergirl either. The Outsiders stuff makes things difficult. Presumably they have a new headquarters for stowing their jet somewhere.

I'd place the Supergirl stuff pre-Countdown.

We can place her arrival on earth a few months before Identity Crisis. Her public debut at the end of the arc takes place after IDC, which presumably happens during the time that Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman allow the world to believe that she is dead (ie. between the first and second half of SUPERMAN/BATMAN #13).

SUPERMAN/BATMAN #19/SUPERGIRL #0 happens prior to the formation of the United Villains.

SUPERMAN #223 (set before IC #1 and after the villains have formed --- albeit at an indeterminate point) refers to the as-of-yet unpublished events of SUPERGIRL #4 and #5 as having already happened.

My Supergirl timeline would go...

SUPERMAN/BATMAN #8-13.5 (Pre-IDC)

Second half of SUPERMAN/BATMAN #13 (Post-IDC)

SUPERMAN/BATMAN #19/SUPERGIRL #0

SUPERMAN/BATMAN #23-25

SUPERGIRL #1-5

Countdown

JLA disbands. Current JLA arc with Supergirl begins.

SUPERMAN #224

INFINITE CRISIS #1-4

[PaulTiberius]

I'd place the Supergirl stuff pre-Countdown.

I don't think that works at all. In Supergirl #2, she meets Superboy during his exile in Smallville after "Insiders." At least, I think that's explicitly stated. I'll be researching it more some time next month.

[sudoku]

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I believe Ed ignores the footage reference as incorrect also. Ed?

That's right. I need to add a footnote to the next version that clarifies this.

I should also note that I might eventually add six days to my timeline between "Insiders" and the beginning of IC. That would fix the days of the week references from Teen Titans. I doubt it would seriously alter the order of things, but it would alleviate some of the crowding (for example on day 10, I have Birds of Prey 88 and JLA 115-116, when really, that seems like too busy a night for Black Canary and Green Arrow. It'd probably work better if JLA 115-116 comes the day after BoP 88.)

I see why you placed JLA 115 before BoP 87-88, Paul (It was to tie the JLA reference to the Firestorm kidnapping directly to Villains United 4, while BoP 87 clearly takes place after Villains United 6). For my timeline, however, I gave precendence to the Black Canary/Green Arrow relationship, so it made more sense for BoP 88 to precede JLA 115. I assumed that Lois was writing her Firetorm story several days after the actual kidnapping had taken place (it could have very easily been a detailed investigative report, rather than a "breaking news" piece).