Thor movie

[brundlefly]

i still think that Adrien Brody is a better choice. and that picture is of Julian Sands from about 10 years back. and if we were past-casting i'd still choose Peter Wingfield over Sands. i still haven't forgiven him for Boxing Helena.

Pfft; he doesn't look markedly different from that photo nowadays, just a few more wrinkles. He's got tons of experience playing evil wizard-y villains, too. And fifteen years is an awfully long time to hold a grudge against someone for a movie that wasn't that bad (more like just disappointing). Though I like your idea of Adrien Brody as Loki, too.

Here's a more recent photo (2008) w/ shorter hair:

[Jared]

I don't like Adrien Brody as Loki. Loki isn't really a wimp, he's just wimpy compared to Thor.

[Monty_Cristo]

I don't like Adrien Brody as Loki. Loki isn't really a wimp, he's just wimpy compared to Thor.

which version are you talking about? he's always seemed wimpy to me. he's the opposite of Thor; more brains than brawn. he's also all about overcompensation; being a small frost giant. plus, keep in mind that he's a magical being. he doesn't have to appear strong or well-built to be dangerous. i think it would work to the movie's advantage to have Loki look completely unintimidating and use his magic to devastating effect ex. to gleefully kill a random mortal.

http://www.comicvine.com/loki/29-432...ki/105-217996/

[MaxofSteel]

I wouldn't mind seeing a female Loki.

[brundlefly]

which version are you talking about? he's always seemed wimpy to me. he's the opposite of Thor; more brains than brawn. he's also all about overcompensation; being a small frost giant. plus, keep in mind that he's a magical being. he doesn't have to appear strong or well-built to be dangerous. i think it would work to the movie's advantage to have Loki look completely unintimidating and use his magic to devastating effect ex. to gleefully kill a random mortal.

http://www.comicvine.com/loki/29-432...ki/105-217996/

Only if you're going by that androgynous and physically frail "Ultimate Loki," who I agree was "wimpy." Real 616 Loki, while he's not a brawny warrior like Thor or bulky like Odin, is generally drawn no shorter/smaller than the other Asgard gods and is fairly imposing with the armor, cape, and horned helm and all that, just overall thinner/leaner as opposed to overly-muscular like Thor.





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[Monty_Cristo]

Only if you're going by that androgynous and physically frail "Ultimate Loki," who I agree was "wimpy." Real 616 Loki, while he's not a brawny warrior like Thor or bulky like Odin, is generally drawn no shorter/smaller than the other Asgard gods and is fairly imposing with the armor, cape, and horned helm and all that, just overall thinner/leaner as opposed to overly-muscular like Thor.





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i'm not convinced. neither artist really draws frail people. but they both made it apparent that Loki wasn't a bodybuilder. he's supposed to be slimmer than Thor. and pretty much all supertypes (heroes and villains) are drawn to look more muscular than regular folk. but that doesn't translate well onto the big screen since, for the most part, regular people are playing them. and, personality-wise, Loki is a wimp.

p.s. how is julian sands any less androgynous?

[brundlefly]

i'm not convinced. neither artist really draws frail people. but they both made it apparent that Loki wasn't a bodybuilder. he's supposed to be slimmer than Thor. and pretty much all supertypes (heroes and villains) are drawn to look more muscular than regular folk. but that doesn't translate well onto the big screen since, for the most part, regular people are playing them. and, personality-wise, Loki is a wimp.

Eh, Loki is only regarded as a coward or "wimp" in Asgardian culture because it's full of high-school jock/heavy testosterone warrior types who love physical combat and think that those who don't are all "wimps." Loki's a thinker, sorcerer, and a devious schemer as opposed to a warrior, but that doesn't immediately translate into "physically frail wimp." Just means he prefers not to fight if he can use magic or get others to fight his battles for him. And he's fought Thor in physical combat more than once in the past, as opposed to just running away. Sure he lost, but then most of Thor's opponents tend to lose against him, regardless of their physiques.

p.s. how is julian sands any less androgynous?

Than who? Adrien Brody? I never said Brody was androgynous. I was talking about Hitch's illustration of "Ultimate Loki," who was overtly androgynous in both his look and mannerisms. Again, I like the choice of Brody for movie-Loki.

[Monty_Cristo]

Eh, Loki is only regarded as a coward or "wimp" in Asgardian culture because it's full of high-school jock/heavy testosterone warrior types who love physical combat and think that those who don't are all "wimps." Loki's a thinker, sorcerer, and a devious schemer as opposed to a warrior, but that doesn't immediately translate into "physically frail wimp." Just means he prefers not to fight if he can use magic or get others to fight his battles for him. And he's fought Thor in physical combat more than once in the past, as opposed to just running away. Sure he lost, but then most of Thor's opponents tend to lose against him, regardless of their physiques.

the point i'm making is that his personality would probably translate into frail on-screen. and i don't think they need to cast a big guy to play Loki. i just don't see the point when he would just be using magic and be covered head to toe anyways. if i had to cast a possible physical equal for whomever they get to play Thor it would be Rufus Sewell. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3869546752/nm0001722

i still like Adrien Brody better. he's a bigger draw.

[brundlefly]

the point i'm making is that his personality would probably translate into frail on-screen. and i don't think they need to cast a big guy to play Loki. i just don't see the point when he would just be using magic and be covered head to toe anyways. if i had to cast a possible physical equal for whomever they get to play Thor it would be Rufus Sewell. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3869546752/nm0001722

i still like Adrien Brody better. he's a bigger draw.

Sewell's a cool choice; I've liked him ever since Dark City.

You're right, in that movie-Loki probably won't go head to head physically with Thor at any point (a role I think would go to Skurge the Executioner, Frost Giants, Trolls, or other characters acting as Loki's enforcers/henchmen) so the actor playing him doesn't need to be a big, muscular dude. I just didn't see either Brody or Sands as being particularly frail or androgynous, imo, or see any need for those characteristics to be a requirement for playing Loki (since only the Ultimate Universe version fits that description, not the real one).

[Monty_Cristo]

Sewell's a cool choice; I've liked him ever since Dark City.

You're right, in that movie-Loki probably won't go head to head physically with Thor at any point (a role I think would go to Skurge the Executioner, Frost Giants, Trolls, or other characters acting as Loki's enforcers/henchmen) so the actor playing him doesn't need to be a big, muscular dude. I just didn't see either Brody or Sands as being particularly frail or androgynous, imo, or see any need for those characteristics to be a requirement for playing Loki (since only the Ultimate Universe version fits that description, not the real one).

i'm not saying it's a requirement. i just don't think an actor should be disqualified as Loki because they are "frail." the other poster said that Brody was too frail to play Loki. i'm arguing that it's kind of how he is in the Ultimates book at least. he's supposed to look non-threatening and just be really really good at manipulating people.

as for Brody, i think he is kind of "androgynous" w/o facial hair. he looks like a less masculine version of K.D. Lang.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2570492416/nm0004778

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1228512000/nm0485807

[brundlefly]

i'm not saying it's a requirement. i just don't think an actor should be disqualified as Loki because they are "frail." the other poster said that Brody was too frail to play Loki.

Oh, I agree that being a big, muscular dude is most certainly not a requirement for playing Loki, and that Adrien Brody is not "too frail" to play the part. Whoever plays Loki's main strength need to his acting as opposed to his physique. But I wasn't wild about that frail, effeminate Loki in Ultimates and would prefer the movie interpretation be the classic version as opposed to being Prince Edward from Braveheart.

as for Brody, i think he is kind of "androgynous" w/o facial hair. he looks like a less masculine version of K.D. Lang.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2570492416/nm0004778

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1228512000/nm0485807

That's rather eerie.

Have they ever been seen together in the same room at the same time?

[Naetnalta]

Loki is the son of a giant. He's still relatively tall to humans. He's not frail, he just looks skinny next to the gigantic bear of a man that is Thor. Whoever plays him doesn't need to work out. He'll be wearing enough clothes anyway, so build doesn't matter as much as the face. Adrien Brody seems too lanky to me, though.

[MaxofSteel]

Who else besides me would prefer the Ultimate approach to the Thor movie? That is, no Donald Blake alter ego. I'd rather just see him as Thor all the time, trying to convince everyone he's a real god. (This may have already been discussed but whatever).

On a side note, I wonder what repercussions this movie will have on the more religious audience upon release. Does anyone think the movie should try to appease other religious beliefs in some way? Just a thought.

[Jettison]

Appeasing any religion should be avoided at all costs...all the time....but thats a whole other ball of wax.....I say this is more about mythology and legend, than it is to any modern structure of spiritual belief.

I hope they get this right....I hope its epic.

[Monty_Cristo]

Loki is the son of a giant. He's still relatively tall to humans. He's not frail, he just looks skinny next to the gigantic bear of a man that is Thor. Whoever plays him doesn't need to work out. He'll be wearing enough clothes anyway, so build doesn't matter as much as the face. Adrien Brody seems too lanky to me, though.

Loki can look however he wants.

On a side note, I wonder what repercussions this movie will have on the more religious audience upon release.

i don't see why it would bother them any more than the Hercules tv series or Superman (he's a god compared to mere mortals).