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    Default Defiant vs Enterprise

    Standard arena match, how does the Defiant fare against...

    Enterprise D
    Enterprise E

    Will let both sides have Worf, and the Defiant has Jadzia not Ezri Dax.

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    not even riker's man beard can save the enterprise. the defiant eats it for lunch.

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    Enterprise D - depends on what stage of re-fit

    Enterprise E - is everything the defiant is but bigger, faster, better shielded, more powerful and has a bigger arsenal of weapons available. Defiant isn't winning this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazC
    Enterprise E - is everything the defiant is but bigger, faster, better shielded, more powerful and has a bigger arsenal of weapons available. Defiant isn't winning this one.
    I knew it was bigger, I don't recall it being faster, and aren't they about equal in weaponry?

    IIR the Defiant class was basically the testing ground for everything that got put in the Sovereign's. Plus, the Defiant still has it's cloaking device and ablative armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Stone
    I knew it was bigger, I don't recall it being faster, and aren't they about equal in weaponry?

    IIR the Defiant class was basically the testing ground for everything that got put in the Sovereign's. Plus, the Defiant still has it's cloaking device and ablative armor.
    The Sovereign has ablative Armour too, infact, the specs of the Enterprise E are here, courtesy of: http://www.answers.com/topic/sovereign-class-starship

    * Production facility: San Francisco Fleet Yards, Earth
    * Type: Explorer
    o Height: 88.5 m
    o Length: 695.8 m
    o Beam: 250.0 m
    * Decks: 24
    * Displacement: 3,205,000 metric tons
    * Accommodation: 855 standard; 4,855 emergency evacuation capacity
    * Propulsion:
    o One M/ARA matter/antimatter reactor (Class XVIII) powering two twenty-six-coil warp drive engines
    o Two Class XII subatomic unified energy impulse drive engines
    * Fuel Source: 1 Class XII Quantum Fusion Warp Core Reactor
    o Ultra-high density cold Deuterium tanks pumped through Isokinetic Matter/Anti-matter Injectors
    o Quantum Dilithium crystals fed to Anti-proton pumpjets
    o 6 Matter/Anti-Matter Transkinetic Reactor mix chambers
    o 2 Class X Auxiliary backup redundant power distribution Warp Core Reactors
    o Fuel Replenishment: Bussard Ramscoop Collectors
    o 12 Quantum Fusion Impulse Reactors
    * Performance: Warp 7 normal cruise, Warp 9.75 maximum cruise; Warp 9.99875 maximum rated (estimate)
    * Weaponry:
    o 12 type XII phaser arrays (original); 16 type XIII phaser arrays (refitted)
    o 4 photon torpedo launchers: 2 forward, 2 aft (original); 8 or more photon torpedo launchers: 3 forward, 5 or more aft (refitted)
    o 1 quantum torpedo multi-warhead turret launcher (firing rate of 4 torpedoes per second per one second volley)
    o Full Spectrum EM/Quantum Navigational Deflector dish array
    * Defenses:
    o Regenerative shields
    o Heavy duranium/tritanium double hull plating
    o Ablative armor
    o Metaphazic Shielding


    The Defiant:

    * Production facility: Antares Fleet Yards, Antares IV
    * Type: Escort/Heavy Combat Cruiser
    * Dimensions:
    o Height: 36.12 m (four decks)
    o Length: 179.68 m
    o Beam: 134.16 m
    * Displacement: 355,000 metric tons
    * Accommodation: 50 standard; 150 limit
    * Propulsion:
    o One matter/antimatter reactor powering two four-coil warp engines
    o Two nuclear fusion impulse engines
    * Performance: Warp 9.5 cruise; warp 9.863 for twelve hours
    * Weaponry:
    o 4 pulse phaser cannons (PPCs)
    o 3 torpedo launchers (capable of both quantum and photon torpedo fire)
    o 3 type X phaser emitters
    o One detachable hull section containing an M/A explosive warhead
    * Defenses:
    o Deflector shields
    o Ablative armor


    The Defiant is more manoueverable but the Enterprise is faster. Also, the Enterprise has metaphasic sheilding. While the Defiant could run rings around the Enterprise, the Enterprise E would simply be able to pummel the Defiant with superior firepower.

    The only use the cloaking device would be is if the Defiant wanted to hide, which would probably be a good idea. Except that it is a Romulan cloaking device which seems fairly easy for Starfleet to detect now a days.

    The Defiant is a "pocket battleship", but it isn't going to last many rounds against a Sovereign class.


    As for the Enterprise D. I'd give it to the Defiant if it is the pre-refit Enterprise D as the Galaxy class, while powerful was ponderous, under-armed and had a vulnerable warp core. Later versions (post refit) had better firepower, sheilding and a better warpcore design. The later Enterprise D could most likely manage a stalemate or squeeze out a win barring character/plot influences.

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    Default Defiant Rocks!

    Sorry to bring up an old thread but iv just joined and just seen this now..

    Anyway just to give my take on this:

    Does the Enterprise -E have superior firepower to the Defiant??

    Well Yes and No.

    The Type 12 phaser is by far the single most powerful phaser.. Considerably more powerful than a Single Pulse Phaser Cannon of the defiant..

    BUUUUTTTT its no where near as powerful as ALL 4 CANNONS shot simultaneously on the same area, which is what the Defiant's cannons do.. The Enterprise -E might hit the Defiant with 2 Type 12 phasers simultaneously, and this would be much closer in power to what the Defiant is dishing out with its 4PPC's, but still less powerful. (Each of the Defiant's cannons are measured at around the same as a Type 11 Phaser).. Due to the Defiants size and maneuvarbility it will fly circles round the Enterprise and when it gets hit will most likely be hit by 1 type 12 phaser, possibly 2.
    Before the Defiant and Soverign Type 11 and 12 phasers were only seen on Space Stations, and not starships.
    But No single phaser exists that is more powerful than all 4 of the Defiant's pulse cannons firing together.


    So The E-E needs to hit the defiant with at least 3 type-12 phasers to match/beat what the Defiant is dishing out with all 4 phaser cannons which is highly unlikely due to the Defiant's size and maneuvarability..
    But the fact is every time the Defiant hits the E-E its gna be with all 4 phaser cannons, over a small relative area.

    Also the Defiant shoots Quantum torpedoes from 2 frontal launchers.. Now as far as I know the E-E only has one Quantum Launcher and thats at the front of the ship.. Again due to the Defiant's size and maneuvarability, it can fly round the E-E and completely avoid that Quantum launcher! So when hit it will only be hit by Photon torpedoes.. And still the Defiant will most likely avoid many of the Photons being fired.. BUT the fact is the Defiant is gna unload ALL its Quantum torpedoes on the E-E and the E-E isnt gna dodge one of them! Not even one!

    So to answer my above question.. Yes the E-E has more and better phasers and a lot more quantum torpedoes than the Defiant. Plus plenty of photons, and photon launchers. So against a much larger threat like a Borg ship or the scmitar the E-E would be far more effective a weapon than the Defiant. BUT in a One On One fight against the Defiant, im afraid the Defiant is gna unload more powerful hits onto the E-E than vice versa.

    As for defences.. Yes I agree the E-E has Far Far better shields.. And yes the E-E also has ablative armour.
    But whats not been mentioned is the Defiant has a Dual Layer of Ablative armour.. Thats twice as thick and therfore twice as good, and can take double the firepower. And of course the Defiant can dodge many hits before it has to start taking them. Whilst the E-E will just have to take it all(against the Defiant anyway, probably not against other ships as the Soveign class is quite maneuvarable itself).

    Now even after all this, im not saying the Defiant would win.. No the Soverign is a beast.. The most advanced weapons systems and so heavily armed.
    But I do believe depending on how much the Defiant can dodge(in other words largely depending on whose flying the defiant and whose in command), it might just be able to fight the E-E to a stand off.


    And as for the Enterprise-D, re-fit or not, the Defiant ALWAYS WINS. More powerful phasers, more powerful torpedoes, ablative armour, and far far more maneuvarable. The only thing the E-D has on the Defiant is better shielding, and even thats not much better.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear I remember the defiant only being able to fire forward, whereas the Sovereigns have a 360 firing arc for the phaser arrays. I think that would make a huge difference, since it effectively reduces the manuverability advantage of the defiant. The defiant's 4 cannons are powerful, but the defiant itself must be constantly facing towards the E-E to hit. If it tries to fly past to get a clean shot at the nacelles, it exposes it's own engines to a phaser barrage, one that the Enterprise can maintain through all arcs. The 360 arc would also allow the enterprise to protect its rear by rotating while maintaining constant phaser fire. Yes, the defiant can make a strafing run faster than the enterprise can turn, but the defiant also has to protect its own aft from the type-12's. In addition, as the above poster noted, the defiant is bringing to bear greater localized fire power, but it's doing it to a much larger target. The Enterprise's size would allow it to survive more hits from the defiant than the defiant could survive from the enterprise since it has more redundant systems built into its hull, in addition to the amount of hull the defiant has to destroy to eliminate the enterprise's integrity. The enterprise and the defiant have the same defensive systems, so that's a none factor. All-in-all, I give this to the Enterprise E because of its greater firing arc negating the defiant's advantage in manuverability, and allowing it to sustain fire for longer than the defiant can and it's sheer mass giving greater survivability to make up for the defiant's ability to deal slightly(correct me if I'm wrong here) greater per volley output.

    Now, the Enterprise-D has no chance. The defiant is faster, has better shields and armor, and superior weapons. I don't actually remember anything about the refit D, so I can't comment there.

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    The Defiant actually does have phaser banks on the top of the ship. It uses it for extreamly close range manuvering making it hard for the enemy ship to lock on to them. Check the Mirror Universe battle to see my point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tilmoph View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear I remember the defiant only being able to fire forward, whereas the Sovereigns have a 360 firing arc for the phaser arrays. I think that would make a huge difference, since it effectively reduces the manuverability advantage of the defiant. The defiant's 4 cannons are powerful, but the defiant itself must be constantly facing towards the E-E to hit. If it tries to fly past to get a clean shot at the nacelles, it exposes it's own engines to a phaser barrage, one that the Enterprise can maintain through all arcs. The 360 arc would also allow the enterprise to protect its rear by rotating while maintaining constant phaser fire. Yes, the defiant can make a strafing run faster than the enterprise can turn, but the defiant also has to protect its own aft from the type-12's. In addition, as the above poster noted, the defiant is bringing to bear greater localized fire power, but it's doing it to a much larger target. The Enterprise's size would allow it to survive more hits from the defiant than the defiant could survive from the enterprise since it has more redundant systems built into its hull, in addition to the amount of hull the defiant has to destroy to eliminate the enterprise's integrity. The enterprise and the defiant have the same defensive systems, so that's a none factor. All-in-all, I give this to the Enterprise E because of its greater firing arc negating the defiant's advantage in manuverability, and allowing it to sustain fire for longer than the defiant can and it's sheer mass giving greater survivability to make up for the defiant's ability to deal slightly(correct me if I'm wrong here) greater per volley output.
    You make some good points.. The E-E has phasers built all round it. Which is why I mentioned the defiant might be getting hit by 2 type 12 phasers simultaneuosly. Probably most the time by just 1 though.

    But getting hit by all 4 cannons over a small area is deadly dangerous! Thats much more dangerous than spreading the fire power round the whole ship.

    And with the Defiant's size it could fly round the E-E hitting key/vulnerable targets (e.g. the warp nacells). It could completley avoid the E-E's Quantums, but unload all it's own Quantums on the E-E.

    But like I said the Defiant needs a good captain and helmsman to accomplish what im saying(Sisko nd Dax), and even then at best it could probably only fight to a stand off. Cause your right the Definat will be taking a lot of hits too, cause the E-E has weapons coming out of its arse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabaition View Post
    The Defiant actually does have phaser banks on the top of the ship. It uses it for extreamly close range manuvering making it hard for the enemy ship to lock on to them. Check the Mirror Universe battle to see my point...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLEe1lbzZM
    That mirror universe episode was awsome! A true testament of what the Defiant is capable of in the RIGHT hands. O'Brien would have kept his distance and probably been destroyed by the Klingon Flagship.

    But Sisko took over and had to destroy the Klingon FLAGSHIP, without getting hit once(cause the Defiant's shields were already gone).. And he did it! He flew so close to the Klingons they culd'nt target him properly, and dodges all their hits, and tore apart that Huge Ship without getting hit once!

    And your right about the Type -10 phaser which shoots from above the Defiant(and below I Believe).. Type 10 isnt as powerful as pulse cannons, but thats what Galaxy class starships have. So its as powerful as a hit from a Galaxy class ship! Plus the Defiant has an aft torpedo launcher.. So its gna hit the bigger ship with all its got, not matter what position its in.
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