who wins this one?
who wins this one?
Combine that with the ability to perceive and strike at weaknesses in Iron Fist's body and fighting style, and I've got to go with Karnak.
Is Iron Fist better than peak human (other than his special "Iron Fist" attack)? So far as I'm aware, Marvel considers him "peak human" in terms of strength, endurance, and reaction time.
Last edited by Syzygy; 04-13-2007 at 02:22 AM.
If this was the Karnak that could get punched in the face with T'challa's strongest shot and get right back up like it was nothing... I'd want to say Karnak, admittedly for no driving reason beyond that I like Karnak.
If this is the Karnak that gets whupped by a telepathic six year old and one punched by T'challa..
Sorry, I lost my train of thought, I'm busy crying at how low Karnak has fallen.
I'm almost hoping he dies in Silent War. Would be a mercy killing really. At least compared to more chances for David Hine to write him.
Cass is admittedly well in the lead for pitiable descent, considering she got taken out by a guy with one arm. At least the six year old technically has body reading (not that it should have helped her)
A six year old? With body reading? Taking out Karnak? Joy. And people get annoyed with Cass. Who was this creature?
Robin still remains snarky and utterly unsympathetic to her, as well. If she doesn't cave in his skull at the end of this arc (or at least break his nose)...then again, with Beechan writing, Cass isn't really capable of beating Robin.
Even then, being faster than cap doesn't make him fast enough to keep up with IF. IF is a legitimate bullet timer. He's around spidey level when it comes to speed. Then there's his ungodly IF chi amping, and skill. IF seems to be on a much higher level than karnak.
Karnak was leading her in a hand-to-hand lesson, when she "surprised" him with her empathic aura-reading ability. So right there, it's not a real combat. Karnak's goal isn't to beat her, but to teach her, a task for which some degree of gentleness is required
So, reading between the lines, it seems likely to me that Karnak allowed her to make the move. Obviously, he's not going to use more than a mere fraction of his power when sparring against a six-year old. If he had resisted rather than rolled with her throw, after all, he might have hurt her.
So that's my in-context reading of this event.
Last edited by Syzygy; 04-14-2007 at 01:26 AM.
However, I do have 44 years of Fantastic Four on disc. I'll see if I can find some feats for Karnak beyond him just breaking stuff with his shattering ability.
Serious questions deserve a serious answer. During Mark Gruenwald's CA run (of which I am the proud possessor of every issue), Captain America and John Walker (US Agent) get into an all-out, drag-on fight -- their first, I think.And how can Karnak have greater endurance than Captain America, when Cap doesn't get tired? Serious question - does Marvel rate endurance differently?
As I recall, the fight went on at a frenetic pace for thirty minutes, after which Rogers was totally winded, but Walker was still fresh. Walker's superhuman endurance beat out Roger's peak human endurance.
If you want the issue number, it'll take me maybe 24 hours. My Cap comics are in a trunk, in a garage, with several other trunks on top of them.
I mean hey, it would be nice if it did. But it didn't. Writers just like to crap on Karnak lately, for reasons beyond my comprehension.
Last edited by Pendaran; 04-14-2007 at 03:13 AM.