What creators have done the most (harm) to the X-Men?

[Mister Mets]

I figure this'll be a companion to my What creators did the most good to the X-Men thread. I'd like to know what creators you guys throught did the most harm to the X-Men franchise, and why. And I'm sure this'll get double the replies of the best creators thread.

My X-Men experience has been limited to mostly books I've found exceptional, so I honestly can't come up with bad X-creators. There are many creators who I've heard bad things about, but I've generally avoided their work.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Joe Casey I think did more harm than good to Uncanny. He had 1 good Issue and that was It.

[Brian M.]

I promise the leading person will be Austen, I'm not saying him but I think the hate for him still lingers strong. I have a feeling Claremont will be up there too even though I love the man.

[goldenarms]

Scott Lobdell, Fabian Nicienza, Joe Quesada, Chuck Austin
How Could I leave off Big Bob Harras.

[Stephane Garrelie]

A very dangerous thread, but I will play the game.

IMO:
I'ld said Bob Harras as both X-editor and EIC.

others:
-Scott Lobdell
-various writers of the 90's
-Grant Morrison. That's what happens when a great writer wanna make money and mistakes the fans of the x-men for stupids (remember the "psychic adultery?"). his out of characters Scott and Emma!!! :rolleyes: and some other things.
-anyone responsable for mutants at each street corner.
-marketing people
-various quesadians editors and Joe Q himself, even if they did lots of good things too.
-and of course Chuck Austen (kurt demoniac origine!!!!!!!! Lorna daughter of magneto!!!! Black Tom the child-murdering tree!!! etc...).

[chicagokmc]

i'll go on an island by myself and say grant morrison. i read every issue of his run and i actually liked the first few stories. i think he harmed x-men with his final run and magneto. i could even live with magneto being a kick-taking junkie. i could live with the magneto/xorn trick (after all, morrison created xorn). but the destruction of new york was too over the top, as was the killing of magneto.

magneto, as defined in the last 20 years, is as vital to the x-men as prof x. magneto's stance on mutant/human relations is one of the reasons the x-men exist. morrison should have known that magneto would not be left dead by marvel. that said, he could've taken magneto in a different direction that wouldn't require goofy retcons ("it wasn't the real magneto..."). also, it is going to be real tough for magneto to top the destruction of new york. it may not have been the original intention, but now you have to have a house of m type story come in and help clean this up (once universe gets re-booted).

as bad as some of austen's stories were, i can't think of anything he wrote that isn't easily reversible (i.e. crazy polaris, weaker juggernaut). to me, bad stories don't necessarily equal harm.

[Taskmaster]

Morrison did a good amount of dammage including, but not limited to:

-Sublime - an intelligent bacteria that hates mutants and is responsible for every plot hole and half thought out idea Morrison came up with

-Xorneto - great idea of Magneto hiding out in the school, horrible cookie cutter Hitler story of Magneto becoming a drug addicted psychopath, with no plan in sight (at least none that has any sense to it) and even the idea that Xorn was Magneto made no sense considering the school's past with him and the fact he was living with several of the worlds greatest telepaths and Wovlerine who could identify anyone he's ever met in his entire life

-Fantomex - need I say more

-Death of Jean Grey...again

-Weapon X - turned the Weapon X program, into the vaguely thought out Weapon Plus program and tried to tie Wolverine and Captain America's origins together, great idea, lets just tie everyones origin into Wolverine's in fact lets make Wolverine the Adam of the Marvel Universe (oh crap now i've given some crappy writer the idea ;) )

-Assualt on Weapon Plus - a story that could've been great, lead absolutely no-where

-Hellfire Club is a STRIP CLUB?!?!?

-Beast -Hank isnow Cat-like because when Morrison thinks of Beast he thinks of Beauty and the Beast and NO OTHER FREAKING REASON!?!?!

-Secondary mutations - Emma's now a Colossus rip-off, Shaw is a telepath (see assault on Weapon Plus), gave Austen the idea for Archangel to have healing blood

I could go on and on

[Taskmaster]

Wow....im suprised Morrison is in the lead, I'm not alone :p

[chicagokmc]

Morrison did a good amount of dammage including, but not limited to:

-Hellfire Club is a STRIP CLUB?!?!?

-Secondary mutations - Emma's now a Colossus rip-off, Shaw is a telepath (see assault on Weapon Plus), gave Austen the idea for Archangel to have healing blood

forgot to add hellfire club to my previous morrison answer. but yeah, that's really, really bad considering the vast use of the hellfire club in the x-men history.

secondary mutations, i am actually ok with. i can buy that fitting into the whole category of being a mutant. if used properly (i.e. austen and claremont have used it poorly with the angel), it could be a cool thing.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

i'll go on an island by myself and say grant morrison. i read every issue of his run and i actually liked the first few stories. i think he harmed x-men with his final run and magneto. i could even live with magneto being a kick-taking junkie. i could live with the magneto/xorn trick (after all, morrison created xorn). but the destruction of new york was too over the top, as was the killing of magneto.

I think If Grant had left at 150# and walked away then , everyone would be saying that final arc was explosive. I loved that Traiter story. I mean It was so genuis. Morrison has said that Magneto was a Terrorist and said he was gone.

But he dropped hints. Kids wearing " Magneto Was Right " shirts and his name popping up at times. I always felt he had It In his mind that he had a way he was gonna make Magneto return.

Xorn was there and fans had liked him. So he turned out to be the traitor. Damn shame they didn't wait at least a year to have Magneto come back and Xorn 2# pop up. They had a huge " Return" right there. Magneto returns ....and pff they blew It on both accounts. Now Xorn 2# Is barely mentioned and thier deciding on what Magneto's charactor will be again.

magneto, as defined in the last 20 years, is as vital to the x-men as prof x. magneto's stance on mutant/human relations is one of the reasons the x-men exist. morrison should have known that magneto would not be left dead by marvel. that said, he could've taken magneto in a different direction that wouldn't require goofy retcons ("it wasn't the real magneto..."). also, it is going to be real tough for magneto to top the destruction of new york. it may not have been the original intention, but now you have to have a house of m type story come in and help clean this up (once universe gets re-booted).

as bad as some of austen's stories were, i can't think of anything he wrote that isn't easily reversible (i.e. crazy polaris, weaker juggernaut).

Its going to be tough to top what Morrison did with Magneto...thats for sure. I think Bendis and company have an Idea laid out and we'll see where they take him. I do hope he returns as a Bad Villain again. Thats where Magneto works best. As a bad guy who doesn't back down for his Ideals. Even If It threatens Humanity.

[Robin3]

This is an easy one: Grant Morrison.

He did so much damage, Marvel had to retcon most of his stories after his run.

[Beast]

This is an easy one: Grant Morrison.

He did so much damage, Marvel had to retcon most of his stories after his run.

That's a common misconception. But other than revealing that Xorneto wasn't Magneto, most of Morrison's run has been respected and used to further plots. Hell, Excalibur grew out of Morrison's run, as did District X. It certainly wasn't retconned out of existance. Morrison did do a lot of damage, especially to Magneto. But he had some good ideas, at least in the first half of his run. Fetus boxing Cassandra Nova not one of the greatest ones however. But what was good was kept and expanded on, just like any writer before him.

[DDM]

• Bob Harras (editor) ran off Chris Claremont & Louise Simonson in favor of Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld, & others who left Marvel to form Image. The X-Men imploded from the weight of garbage Marvel produced at this time.
• Fabien Ninzcea (Kwannon/Psylocke among other stories)
• Scott Lobdell
• Joe Casey (cokehead)
• Chuck Austen (sexhead, Nurse Annie, Crazy Lorna)
• Joe Quesada (hires editors ignorant of the Marvel Universe history, too reliant on Brian Michael Bendis, too dependent on gimmicks, story decompression)
• Mike Marts (editor) ignorant of the very characters he's in charge to edit

[crystalline green]

I would have to say Morrison for all the above mentioned reasons. Plus, for me, he cheapened one of my favorite characters: Emma Frost. He was the one who started giving her the faux british dialogue and retconned her history with the Hellfire Club so that debuted as a stripper instead of the shrewd businesswoman her used her mutant powers to build her own fortune. Not to mention the whole plastic surgery thing. It's ironic that I would find his sins most grevious because I enjoyed the early part of his run and thought he had some cool ideas.

Austen runs a close second because thanks to him: Nightcrawler has a silly demon for a father, Lorna is Mags daughter, Adjectiveless has the worst line-up, Warren is neither blue nor interesting, and Iceman is stuck in his silly ice-form.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Austen runs a close second because thanks to him: Nightcrawler has a silly demon for a father, Lorna is Mags daughter, Adjectiveless has the worst line-up, Warren is neither blue nor interesting, and Iceman is stuck in his silly ice-form.

I think your forgetting that Austen Isn't the one on X-Men anymore. In fact Milligan Is using Polaris,Havok,Iceman , Rogue & Gambit. The other Interesting members are gone so..thats not his fault about the current team.