I think this storyline started in about 1995 but can someone tell me what issues were involved? It had something to do with Kang as well as Iron Man betraying the team i recall.
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07-21-2005, 02:36 PM #1chiefdog
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Avengers: The Crossing checklist?
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07-21-2005, 02:38 PM #2Were You There?
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It doesn't matter, because the comics are awful.
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07-21-2005, 04:39 PM #3The One Who Was
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How exactly did they retcon evil Iron Man back to good?
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07-21-2005, 04:42 PM #4Moderator
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They went into the past, recruited a teenage version, killed EvilTony and replaced him with the teenager for a few issues, went off to Heroes Reborn, and came back with GoodTony restored.
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Or something like that. Honestly, we're better off pretending it never happened.Expletive Deleted
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07-22-2005, 11:09 PM #5Junior Member
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They pretty much did that in a back-up story in one of the 100-page editions of the Busiek-run didn't they? Not sure which one it was but it basically amounted to the same thing as the moment in the second Austin Powers movie where Basil says, "Don't analyze it too much, and just have fun!" Originally Posted by Expletive Deleted
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07-23-2005, 12:43 AM #6Super-Mod
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Reading Order:
Prelude - Avengers (1st series) #390
Prelude - Iron Man (1st series) #319
Part 1 - Avengers: The Crossing #1
Part 2 - Force Works #16
Part 3 - Iron Man (1st series) #320
Part 4 - Avengers (1st series) #391
Part 5 - Iron Man (1st series) #321
Part 6 - Avengers (1st series) #392
Part 7 - Force Works #17
Part 8 - War Machine #20
Part 9 - Iron Man (1st series) #322
Part 10 - Force Works #18
Part 11 - War Machine #21
Part 12 - Iron Man (1st series) #323
Part 13 - Avengers (1st series) #393
Part 14 - Force Works #19
Part 15 - War Machine #22
Part 16 - Force Works #20
Part 17 - Iron Man (1st series) #324
Part 18 - Avengers (1st series) #394
Part 19 - Avengers: Timeslide #1
Part 20 - War Machine #23
Part 21 - Iron Man (1st series) #325
Part 22 - Avengers (1st series) #395
Aftermath - Age of Innocence: The Rebirth of Iron Man #1
If you DO read the crossing, make sure you read Avengers Forever and (I think it's) the '99 Annual soon thereafter.Last edited by mattbib; 07-23-2005 at 12:58 AM.
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05-24-2009, 10:42 PM #7Elder Member
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Avengers :The Crossing
Did anybody read this? Can somebody tell me what was Kangs aim in attacking the Avengers with Tony Stark? I would just like to know if he had something in mind at the end of it.
As for the writing, like the posters above, it was terrible. Reading Bendis' time travel story in Dark Avengers was easier to follow. I mean, Busiek, had a good idea, but the jumps from one point to the other were untelegraphed, at all. For instance, the appearance of Tuc, and his referring to Luna as his big sister. Did that ever get addressed ever again? And Century appearing out of nowhere, again, after leaving the Avengers for outer space in Force Works storyline, was like he was plucked out of a data base and just used with no apparent connection to the story.
And is this the same Mike Deodato in The crossing who now draws the Dark Avengers?
As for the conclusion of the story, where an alternative time line, young Tony has been replaced in this timeline for the sacrificed Tony, I thought that wasn't too bad.
Also, there were some interesting future newspaper articles, where all the super heroes were hunted down to extinction, in one, and in another, Cap was called a traitor. So from a CW point of view and a HoM point of view, Tony, Steve, and Wanda had interesting past appearances that could be relevant to AD, and CW.Last edited by jackolover; 05-24-2009 at 11:47 PM.
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05-25-2009, 04:04 AM #8Were You There?
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So now you know which comics to avoid. Originally Posted by mattbib
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05-25-2009, 04:23 AM #9Drug Free Til '93
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I don't think Busiek who wrote any of this abortion did he? I think he actually fixed some of the dumber parts of it in Avengers Forever, like changing the length of Kang's influence over Iron Man from essentially the start of his career to a few months. Originally Posted by jackolover
I read an interview with Deodato where he talks about the great variance in quality of his 90's work...apparently he had a studio and work from it all got slapped with his name to help sell. Don't recall if that decision was on his end or Marvels.
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05-25-2009, 05:04 AM #10Elder Member
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No. You're right. Bob Harras and Terry Kavanagh did this series. Apologies to Busiek. Originally Posted by lobsterj
Man, that is so bizzarre. I did have trouble decipherring the art, so this does make sense. Originally Posted by lobsterj
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05-25-2009, 06:39 AM #11Cube Master
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It was twenty-four parts long?
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05-25-2009, 08:29 AM #12BANNED
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25 if you count the aftermath issue. Originally Posted by steveg887
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05-25-2009, 09:12 AM #13Say WHAT?!?!?!?
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spoilers: Originally Posted by jackolover
end of spoilersThis is Busiek's welcome retcon from Avengers Forever, but it was not Kang and Mantis behind the Crossing, but Immortus and the Space Phantoms posing as Kang, Mantis, and their minions in an effort to prevent the Avengers from heading into space. Apparently, establishment of an intergalactic Avengers team would eventually lead to a universal dictatorship under Jonz Rickard, Rick Jones' decendent and wielder of the Destiny Force, and his Avengers Corps as well as other alternate variations of the theme.
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05-25-2009, 09:31 AM #14Super-Mod
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Right, everyone knows that Avengers Forever added purpose to the Crossing, but the question is what was the real reason, pre-retcon, for Kang and Mantis' attack? Why did Libra join Force Works as "Moonraker"? I don't think it was ever clearly explained at the time. It all just...happened.
Mantis' involvement seemed very contrived, and reminiscent of Carol's anger at the Avengers years earlier for letting her go off with Marcus.
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05-25-2009, 10:07 AM #15Cube Master
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Were they all pertinent to the story, or were they more tenuously linked such as the Amazing Spider-Man issue of the "Maximum Security" crossover were it was like: Normal Spider-Man story plus "Hey, an alien!" Originally Posted by Dagger
If it's the former then it just seems like overkill.
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