[Tale of the Third Age] "*Your Name Here* for the Defense, Your Honor...."

[heretic]

Joker (Rape, Multiple counts of Murder, Terrorism, attempted genocide, torture, kidnapping, robbing banks, assault, property damage, all of Joker's other crimes.)
Now, try getting him past a competent court, not the idiots they have in Gotham.

As mentioned by Overmaster, Getting the D.A. or Jury to accept an insanity defence would not be hard ("Ladies and Gentlemen, does this man look sane to you?") and sending him to an actually secure psyche facility would be well within my obligations as legal council.

I raise:

• Susan 'Ginormica' Murphy: (Reckless Endangerment, Gross Destruction of Public Property, Gross Destruction of Church Property, Assault, Battery, Kidnapping, Vandalism, Grand Theft Auto)
• Precia Testarossa (Gross Child Abuse, Theft, Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor, Reckless Endangerment)

HTG

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Susan 'Ginormica' Murphy: (Reckless Endangerment, Gross Destruction of Public Property, Gross Destruction of Church Property, Assault, Battery, Kidnapping, Vandalism, Grand Theft Auto)

Miss murphy was clearly acting in self defense,as well as in the interest of the entire world

and i add
Ozymandias

[Melchior]

Precia Testarossa (Gross Child Abuse, Theft, Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor, Reckless Endangerment)

Actually..... I might be able to do this one.

1. Theft - no theft actually occurred. The jewel seeds were salvage from a wrecked freighter. Furthermore, since the seeds were clearly dangerous to Unregistered Planet 97 (Earth), and no local government had the capability of properly containing the items, taking them herself was probably the best thing to do. Furthermore, Precia Testarossa is a noted professor and a scholar specializing in Al-Hazared Lost Logia, so she is a specialist taking care of what she is specializing in. The only local mage was obviously barely trained, and might have caused an accident if she retained the items.

2. Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor - No crimes were committed, so this argument is invalid.

3. Reckless Endangerment - Precia Testarossa was performing a private experiment in her area of expertise outside of not only TSAB's standard area of jurisdiction, but outside of any other universe's natural jurisdiction. Due to it's actions, the TSAB actually made the experiment riskier by depriving Testarossa of the additional Jewel Seeds she needed to perform said experiment.

4. Gross Child Abuse - Okay, this one makes me feel bad for even contemplating it, but....

The TSAB does not accord the same rights to artificially created lifeforms that it gives to naturally occuring ones. In the case of Erio, another Project F child, just the fact that he was an artificial human (performing perfectly normal activities for a child his age with a happy temperment) was enough for him to be forcibly taken from his parents by the TSAB and studied in a lab. Said parents also lost all custody rights to the child, despite him being genetically their son, and having treated Erio as such like good, responsible parents. The boy was not dangerous UNTIL this happened, and would have remained a threat to society had Fate Testerossa not stepped in. To say nothing of the combat cyborgs.

So, according to the TSAB actions, Fate Testerossa does not count as a child due to the fact that she is an artificial human construct. Since one cannot be tried for gross abuse of, say, a car, then this charge actually has no standing, and must be thrown out. This, of course, also throws out much of points 2 and 3.

[al103]

4. Gross Child Abuse - Okay, this one makes me feel bad for even contemplating it, but....

The TSAB does not accord the same rights to artificially created lifeforms that it gives to naturally occuring ones. In the case of Erio, another Project F child, just the fact that he was an artificial human (performing perfectly normal activities for a child his age with a happy temperment) was enough for him to be forcibly taken from his parents by the TSAB and studied in a lab. Said parents also lost all custody rights to the child, despite him being genetically their son, and having treated Erio as such like good, responsible parents. The boy was not dangerous UNTIL this happened, and would have remained a threat to society had Fate Testerossa not stepped in. To say nothing of the combat cyborgs.

So, according to the TSAB actions, Fate Testerossa does not count as a child due to the fact that she is an artificial human construct. Since one cannot be tried for gross abuse of, say, a car, then this charge actually has no standing, and must be thrown out. This, of course, also throws out much of points 2 and 3.

Bullshit. Elio was taken by "shadow" group of researchers who wanted to replicate project. They labs were busted later and he got in TSAB care later. Such groups are not uncommon - Agito was victim of another one, then there was Toredia, Jail before hooking with brains, the ones that made Vivio by samples distributed by Jail, the ones that made Elio, etc. There is other thing though - Precia as insane as Joker is...

[yeoman]

[*]Susan 'Ginormica' Murphy: (Reckless Endangerment, Gross Destruction of Public Property, Gross Destruction of Church Property, Assault, Battery, Kidnapping, Vandalism, Grand Theft Auto)
HTG

I will note that most of those the client was clearly not in their right mind. As I very much doubt anyone would be in their right mind in the minutes following sudden rapid growth to just under 50' tall.

In the other half the client was acting as a agent of the United States government against a threat to the entire world, while on US soil.

[yeoman]

Bullshit. Elio was taken by "shadow" group of researchers who wanted to replicate project. They labs were busted later and he got in TSAB care later. Such groups are not uncommon - Agito was victim of another one, then there was Toredia, Jail before hooking with brains, the ones that made Vivio by samples distributed by Jail, the ones that made Elio, etc. There is other thing though - Precia as insane as Joker is...

Yes, which makes the *experiment* illegal. The question is whether or not Fate (or, by extension, Erio) counts as a person by TSAB standards.

I would argue yes, given Fate was tried for her role in the Jewel Seed incident. You can't put someone that doesn't have any legal standing on trial.

While creation of artificial mages is illegal, and the artificial mages themselves seem looked down upon, the TSAB seems to afford them at least basic human rights, and while Fate pretty much got drafted into TSAB service, Erio joined by choice.

[yeoman]

2. Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor - No crimes were committed, so this argument is invalid.

Actually, is she a minor? Yuuno was about the same age as was working as a reasercher. And Nanoha and Fate were capable of acting as TSAB agents at age 9.

So they either have a really low age of majority, bizarre child labor laws, or consider that once someone is provable to make their own choices, they can do what they want.

3. Reckless Endangerment - Precia Testarossa was performing a private experiment in her area of expertise outside of not only TSAB's standard area of jurisdiction, but outside of any other universe's natural jurisdiction. Due to it's actions, the TSAB actually made the experiment riskier by depriving Testarossa of the additional Jewel Seeds she needed to perform said experiment.

Actually, their jurisdiction would appear to be "The Multi-verse." She was performing experiments that stood a high chance, regardless of outcome, of causing a major dimensional disurbance. She was performing them in the ass end of nowhere, but Lindy never seemed concerned that she was outside of her jurisdiction.

[Melchior]

Bullshit. Elio was taken by "shadow" group of researchers who wanted to replicate project. They labs were busted later and he got in TSAB care later. Such groups are not uncommon - Agito was victim of another one, then there was Toredia, Jail before hooking with brains, the ones that made Vivio by samples distributed by Jail, the ones that made Elio, etc. There is other thing though - Precia as insane as Joker is...

Huh.... rewatching the scene again, I happily stand corrected.

Thank you, that takes one of the TSAB's biggest black marks on their "Really an Evil Organization" List off.

[yeoman]

Huh.... rewatching the scene again, I happily stand corrected.

Thank you, that takes one of the TSAB's biggest black marks on their "Really an Evil Organization" List off.

Actually, most of the TSAB seem to actually be a generally competent benevolent organization. They just have some scum in their higher ups that need clearing out.

Heck, these are the guys who are willing to actually listen to people's stories when world ending threats happen. "Whats that? You've made some mistakes but are genuinely repentent? Cool. Want a job?"

Course, that's probably how the scumbags got into the organization in the first place...

[Guy1]

Actually, the insanity defense still would work well. He really *IS* *THAT* insane, in a way beyond any real-world mental illness.

The sentence only would need to be carried to imprisonment in any actual PIS free asylum that isn't a typical Cardboard Prison. In any sort of realistic setting, that should take care of him.

Actually, this nice little comic,http://comics.ign.com/articles/618/618664p1.html showed that someone with a brain could land clown boy right in the death penalty.
Batman ends up saving him for some bs reason, but it happened.

[The MunchKING]

Actually, this nice little comic,http://comics.ign.com/articles/618/618664p1.html showed that someone with a brain could land clown boy right in the death penalty.
Batman ends up saving him for some bs reason, but it happened.

He wasn't guilty that time.

And Batman beleaves strongly enough in Justice that he couldn't see an innocent man fry for a crime he didn't commit.

[Guy1]

He wasn't guilty that time.

And Batman beleaves strongly enough in Justice that he couldn't see an innocent man fry for a crime he didn't commit.

That's sweet of Batman, except he didn't even consider all of the previous crap had pulled. Hell, Joker outright references what he did to Gordon and Barbara, plus all of his other crimes.
Not guilty.
Right.:rolleyes:

[The MunchKING]

That's sweet of Batman, except he didn't even consider all of the previous crap had pulled. Hell, Joker outright references what he did to Gordon and Barbara, plus all of his other crimes.
Not guilty.
Right.:rolleyes:

Well he wasn't guilty of THAT. If they wanted to fry him for the other stuff, Batman would have just looked away, knowing Justice was done...

[OverMaster]

That's sweet of Batman, except he didn't even consider all of the previous crap had pulled. Hell, Joker outright references what he did to Gordon and Barbara, plus all of his other crimes.
Not guilty.
Right.:rolleyes:

The problem is you are letting your feelings for the character to cloud your judgement here. That, and the PIS part.

Yes, he is a bastard. We get it. Still doesn't change the fact he is TECHNICALLY INSANE ENOUGH TO PASS THROUGH ANY INSANITY DEFENSE unless you bend the laws or stage the trial at China.

Plus, the main reason why he merits the 'kill him or he'll escape again' clause is because the comics have PIS to let him escape that often. In a real world setting, that's not a concern.

[OverMaster]

Well he wasn't guilty of THAT. If they wanted to fry him for the other stuff, Batman would have just looked away, knowing Justice was done...

Not to mention the alternative involved letting another murderer to walk away free.