I'll miss ultimate spider-man but nothing else
When he has really destroyed X-Men (not likely I imagine) maybe some of the Wanda haters will realize what he really does.
Namor, Marvel's EveryMan
Bendis set the bar so low that i'm not bothered at all by Hickman using the Avengers name to tell his new univers stories.
60% percent of the time, Ant-Man beats Doom every time
I'm not speaking on the constructive criticisms people have toward Bendis or others in their opinions, i'm speaking of the negativity toward positive creativity and the art that possess qualities that i've mentioned (positive laughter, etc). Whoever the artist, whatever the art...
If someone says that they have a true appreciation for lighthearted, comedic tone... positive laughter, quirkiness... fun... within my perception they would have a true appreciation for such things, such art.
After this thread and observing other threads, i see why some artists don't like to get involved in the superhero genre, people dissect and analyze these comics as if they are the great literary classics, as if it's Whitman, Austen, Dickens, Shakespeare, Keats, Eliot, Dickinson, etc. or sacred religious texts. As if they are the greatest creations of humanity, and take them so serious to the point of absurdity.
No exaggeration, i use to translate and study the Christian Bible from it's original texts (language) in the Old and New Testament, and the analyzing, dissecting, overall treatment wasn't even close within that... as found in comics. Haha aha. haha. ahaha hahahaha ha ahah ah hahahahaha ah ha ah ha aha hahahaha,
Oh my glob and toast! And by the stars! What have people done with/to the fun.
Last edited by eXplorer; 02-18-2014 at 08:11 PM.
Knowledge and insight goes both ways, after all, unless maybe you feel that you are so "enlightened" that you can't learn anything from us uneducated comic book heathens.
And the first thing that you should learn is that you can't start a thread touting the "genius" of Bendis and then turn around and blame people for not "understanding" that you weren't actually talking about Bendis himself when you created the thread... despite referencing him specifically in both the post header and the initial post.
I mean, if you really want to go there -- I'm a Classics major who has written three books, translated both Ancient Greek and Latin tomes (Cicero, Plato, Ovid, Aristotle and more) and done in-depth collegiate studies of not only the Bible but also of the Bhagavad Gita, the I-Ching, and quite a few Buddhist sutras, but I still appreciate comics in equal measure...
...and even if I didn't, I still wouldn't be so arrogant as to think I couldn't learn something from them, nor from the people who read them.
Last edited by aja_christopher; 02-18-2014 at 08:49 PM.
Primus. Kerouac Black. Moon.
Aquarius. Solace. Modus.
If that's the way you approach any piece of art and if that works for you, that's great, but you can't generalize that sentiment and claim that one has to enjoy an artist's output wholesale to call himself/herself a "fan" of something. I can enjoy a comic/movie/tv show/song but still have the critical judgment and wherewithal to say that, despite my enjoyment, there are still flaws (minor as they might be). I don't enjoy the thing any less because of them, because everything. has. flaws! Most people's enjoyment comes despite them!
Every piece of art is classified in genres, and within each of these genres, there are good and bad examples of what the genre entails. Personally, I dearly love Star Wars and (to a lesser extent) Star Trek, but I was never particularly fond of shows like Stargate or Battlestar Galactica. My love for the first two isn't diminished because of my enjoyment (or rather lack thereof. No disrespect to fans of these shows, they're just not for me) of the latter two.
People CAN enjoy something that's lighthearted and fun, I don't see why that was ever a discussion.
Comics aren't as thoroughly analysed as, say "Crime and Punishment" or "The Trial", because, to put it plainly, it's very seldom that a comic comes out with such intricate subtext and such a compelling story to merit that degree of discussion, but when such a comic comes out, why shouldn't it be discussed with the degree of fervent and profound analysis with which one analyses Dostoyevsky's or Kafka's works? Is it because they feature fantasious characters, such as people who can fly, lift cars over their heads or listen in on someone's thoughts? If so, why are the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, J.K. Rowling and George R.R. Martin considered by many to be classics?
Comics, like art of any kind, merit some degree of discussion. If you're that offended by that that the minute two different perspectives on something comic-book-related are discussed that you immediately classify it as a highfalutin debate over the sex of the angels, I don't know what to tell you...
Do you seriously not see how incredibly arrogant, pompous, insulting and demeaning what you wrote above is?
I don't know what to tell you after that, and I certaily don't know what to tell you that will finally make you understand, after 34 pages of discussion, that *gasp* people have different opinions. I'll just say that, if you haven't analysed the Bible to the degree that people here dissect their comics, a) you certainly weren't thorough enough, and b) you can't begrudge people's high degree of investment in their passions for the lack of your own in yours.
That was beautiful, man.
"The world needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door."
If I were to describe Bendis's sense of humor, I'd say it falls more along the lines of "I wish I was Quentin Tarantino." Except lacking the style and wit.And right there was your mistake, equating Bendis with positive laughter, fun and a lighthearted quirkiness, comedic tone. I have a hard time associating those things with a guy that writes a scene in which a female character is demeaningly beaten by a gang of male thugs, or who has another once noble and erudite villian calling another female character a fat cow (soooo funny), or Luke Cage's back door visits to Jessica Jones (her state of mind then, not the act per say), or whose epitome of Bevis and Butthead humor is having Spider-Man throw up in his mask because someone ate raw eggs, or making fun of the needyness of mental illness, and I could go on and on and on...
His jokes often come at the expense of other characters, where we're supposed to laugh at them, rather than with them. A bigger problem is that it seems like the jokes come first then he tries to figure out which character should say them rather than having the humor come based on the characters established personality.
"if you ever disagree it means that you are wrong."
I've seen barely one person understand anything i've said in this entire thread and misinterpret everything i've said, and not only that but misinterpret the meaning of the entire thread even after painstaking and patient explanation, and constant efforts at bridging an understanding.
Why? I have no need to explain myself to anyone, i have no need to validate myself... partly to try and constantly correct the continuous misinterpretation of my every post, and as aforementioned to bridge that understanding in hopes that through the exploration of variant perspectives that it may prove beneficial to someone.
And some benefit has come out of it, because i've learned some stuff about how other people approach certain contexts, and how they perceive things... and what things means to them, etc, etc and so forth and so on... and that is supposed to be the meaning of the bridge, an understanding, a sharing, a learning. So, at least i have gained benefit from the thread in sharing and exploring of variant perspective.
Unbelievably... for some reason people are convinced they do understand, even when i'm telling them and explaining that they don't actually understand. I mean, really... it's astounding, it's my expression and my thoughts and people are telling me they understand better and more than i do, NO! You don't get it, not at all. Hehe.
Even in recent responses (like this one quoted) it's completely misinterpreted my sentiments in every way, shape and form.
I don't know if it's that people aren't actually reading it and just sort of scanning it, that people are so blind by their dislike for Bendis that it's clouding what's being actually said, that people just don't care and have their own agends. *Shrug*.
It's quite frustrating to have to continuously respond because of the misinterpretation of one's posts, because they're basically responding to something that doesn't even exist it creates a twisted perception within my posts as if that's what is being said when it's not actually being said in such a context/subtext.
Like, for example in these last ridiculous responses (ridiculous because it's not even responding to anything that actually exists, it's a complete misinterpretation of what's being said and so it's not even a response to me in actuality) heh.
The actual sentiment of the post was nothing more than a lighthearted way to say... what happened to the fun, aren't comics supposed to be fun. The last words in the post sums it up. "Oh my glob and toast! And by the stars! What have people done with/to the fun."
People really think a post that says "Oh my glob and toast" with a humility smiley icon... is some kind of serious condemnation of people? Haha. I mean reaaaaaaaaaaaally!
Bringing up the translation and studying of the bible (or revered classic literature) just means that it's something that's taken extremely serious and analyzed and dissected at great lengths there's very little "fun" involved... to establish the absurdity of taking comics too seriously instead of having fun, that even a bible is not handled in such context/subtext. Yet, people are breaking out that they studied abroad in Paris and translated every religious text, that they can do 2000 push ups, that they're dating a super model as a response, which... even in that, exists irony, as a commentary in what's being talked about of taking things too serious to the level of absurdity.
[just for clarity before the misinterpretations begin, that's not all literal]
Yes, if you have an appreciation for something you appreciate it. I greatly appreciate positive comedy (not pranks and more negative variation), that means every and all form of positive comedy i have a deep appreciation for [The purity of, the spirit of] That doesn't mean you can't criticize or not be interested, or that you have to love it and be compelled and interested by it always, beyond the appreciation of said thing... it simply means you have a deep appreciation for it. It's not opinion, it's a state of mind... a state of being. It's a humility, a reverence for the bigger picture/grander scheme and bigger than any person or people, not what's literally in front of one's face so to speak. It's perspective, which is everything.
What people are saying about arrogance, and this and that... is nothing more than a reflection within a misinterpretation. There's nothing actually arrogant within my posts. All there is extreme patience in creating a bridge of understanding and correcting of misinterpretation and constant explanation.
I have nothing to be a arrogant about, i have no self confidence to speak of and really have no form of arrogance that i could even draw upon to even see that perspective as being a reality. If you knew me personally, you would get why me being arrogant is quite funny and silly.
The content of my posts all speak to the positive, the entire theme and spirit of this thread is about appreciation, and positivity and fun... and ultimately it's just my expression of a hope for a desired future state of being and appreciation that currently doesn't exist, that's a pretty funny thing about this thread, it's not even meant to be based in the NOW within a linear time perception, it's based in the future where things haven't even taken shape and form as of yet.
[i'm not the one on the side of negativity here]
There is a possibility, a variable... that i am simply one of the worst explainers of all time.
Hopefully, i can stay out of this thread from now. The frustration of constantly being misinterpreted had it's time and the endless explanation had it's purpose but the fun is fading.
If i do manage to actually leave for good this time, i will leave to say any responses to my post have the possibility of being a misinterpretation, That it could be twisted and not actually what is meant and said, so...
Last edited by eXplorer; 02-19-2014 at 08:46 AM.
Since it's apparently not your goal to "understand" and respect the viewpoints of others, then you shouldn't expect it in return.
And I don't know about you, but I did have fun translating Greek texts, but not so much the Roman (copycats, the lot of them).
As you said -- it's all perspective.
Maybe if you'd actually listen to people (instead of being so defensive) you'd stop trying to verbally chastise everyone here... and pick up a Peter Allen David book as suggested by a previous poster, which more accurately represents the "sentiment" that you keep trying to claim in your many, many posts that no one understands.
Last edited by aja_christopher; 02-19-2014 at 08:41 AM.
Primus. Kerouac Black. Moon.
Aquarius. Solace. Modus.