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    "Man of Steel" Director Zack Snyder answered fan questions about the film, addressing the death toll, the end of the film and what to expect when Batman meets Superman.


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    5000 people died in Metropolis? In what fantasy did that occur? The city was levelled. Besides, the major complaint is not that so many people died, it's that Superman seemed to make very little effort to save them. I can buy the idea that Superman would kill if he had no choice. But what Snyder presents here is not what happened in the film. In the film, Superman kills to save one particular family from Zod. Snyder suggests here that Superman had to kill Zod because, otherwise, he would have lost. That is a plausible scenario. I agree that Zod should have been much better trained as a fighter than Superman (and Supes' getting his butt kicked by Faora indicates that) and that, in the end, Zod probably would have won. But Snyder's comments suggest that Superman went into the fight with the intention of killing Zod, given the opportunity. That interpretation completely changes the last part of the film.

    As for Superman vs. Batman: the whole idea is dumb. Why have them fight at all? And the only way Batman stands even a ghost of a chance is if he has access to kryptonite.

    Anyway, I'm keeping my expectations on this really low.

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    So...Superman's battle with Zod causes the death of 5000 civilians and Superman's just supposed to be cool with it and move on? Snyder, just please stop talking, you're only making people more upset. For people unfamiliar with Superman, this only sends the wrong message, that even though you're a person with such immense power and even in an unwinnable scenario that "you gotta do what you gotta do". What happened to the whole "You will give the people an idea to strive towards"? This only proves what a disconnect Snyder has to the character. Just because something happened in a comic years and years ago means that he gets free reign to do with the character as he pleases. I guess according to his interpretation, in B Vs. S it makes sense to have Batman use guns because he used them in his early appearances? If this were the comics and Superman caused the death of that many people I think the in-character thing for him to do would be to retire. I actually enjoyed the movie, not because of their interpretation of Superman, but because it was entertaining and fun to watch. I think this "explanation" by Snyder will actually sour my interest upon further viewings.

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    "He's fighting his equal. He has no advantage," said Snyder. "Zod's a warrior, has trained his entire life, can fight 100 times better than Superman. Technically, he's outgunned in that scenario, and he should lose."

    Snyder estimated that about 5,000 people died in Metropolis as a result of the fight between Zod and Superman,


    I would laugh out loud, if it were not so utterly ridiculous!

    http://www.mstarz.com/articles/14635...ncial-cost.htm

    129 000 dead, quarter of a million missing. From guys whose job it is to work these things out.

    I will believe a man can fly a helluva lot easier than I will only 5000 dead. That is just ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaunN View Post

    As for Superman vs. Batman: the whole idea is dumb. Why have them fight at all? And the only way Batman stands even a ghost of a chance is if he has access to kryptonite.
    Well, you know what they say about Batman and Kryptonite...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    "He's fighting his equal. He has no advantage," said Snyder. "Zod's a warrior, has trained his entire life, can fight 100 times better than Superman. Technically, he's outgunned in that scenario, and he should lose."

    Snyder estimated that about 5,000 people died in Metropolis as a result of the fight between Zod and Superman,


    I would laugh out loud, if it were not so utterly ridiculous!

    http://www.mstarz.com/articles/14635...ncial-cost.htm

    129 000 dead, quarter of a million missing. From guys whose job it is to work these things out.

    I will believe a man can fly a helluva lot easier than I will only 5000 dead. That is just ludicrous.
    I think Snyder is talking about the fight itself, not about main ship blowing up buildings.

    So...Superman's battle with Zod causes the death of 5000 civilians and Superman's just supposed to be cool with it and move on?
    Article mentions that according to Snyder it weights heavily on Superman and he isn't cool with it.
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    lots of dots

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    You know, I'm coming to the realization that my biggest problem with this movie isn't the killing of Zod, nor the massive destruction.

    It's that Superman's story arc is only (about) half-complete in this movie. There seems to be this weird assumption that it's OK to save character resolutions for the sequel. Instead of getting the payoff at the end of this one, we're expected to wait X years to see how it gets handled. Which means we probably need to wait 2X years to see a movie about him BEING Superman, instead of BECOMING Superman. And there's a viable chance that and third movie would have him already on the decline.

    (Bizarrely, the same progression happened with James Bond:

    CASINO ROYALE: Origin story
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE: Resolution of first movie trauma.
    SKYFALL: He's already considered washed up.)
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    he is COUNTING the destruction by the world engine in the death toll.
    im telling you IT IS NOT POSSIBLE that even 500 people would have been killed by there direct one on one fighting.

    read my opening post here.
    http://forums.comicbookresources.com...-the-zod-fight

    even if everyone of thoose buildings where filled to capacity with people (which they where not, every shot we saw inside any of the buldings there was not a soul in sight) that would be a f##king absurd body count, ONLY A SINGLE BUILDING ACTUALLY FELL AS A RESULT OF THERE FIGHT

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    See here's the thing as well Zod has only had a couple of days to absorb Solar Radiation and Superman has had like what, 30+ years? Is he really Superman's equal in the power Department? Clark has at least 20+ years experience in using his powers and he can't beat a guy who just got then 4 days ago? I enjoyed the movie but the death toll (according to Snyder) is unrealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red&Green View Post
    So...Superman's battle with Zod causes the death of 5000 civilians and Superman's just supposed to be cool with it and move on? Snyder, just please stop talking, you're only making people more upset. For people unfamiliar with Superman, this only sends the wrong message, that even though you're a person with such immense power and even in an unwinnable scenario that "you gotta do what you gotta do". What happened to the whole "You will give the people an idea to strive towards"? This only proves what a disconnect Snyder has to the character. Just because something happened in a comic years and years ago means that he gets free reign to do with the character as he pleases. I guess according to his interpretation, in B Vs. S it makes sense to have Batman use guns because he used them in his early appearances? If this were the comics and Superman caused the death of that many people I think the in-character thing for him to do would be to retire. I actually enjoyed the movie, not because of their interpretation of Superman, but because it was entertaining and fun to watch. I think this "explanation" by Snyder will actually sour my interest upon further viewings.
    Superman didn't cause the death of those people. Zod did. To think that he had full control over that fight is ludicrous. Zod's intention was to kill Superman and as many humans as he could to hurt him. There is going to be some collateral damage when two God-Like beings are fighting and one is intent on nothing but death and destruction for all humans. In MOS he coudn't just fly around the Earth really fast to turn back time and undo any death and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieartman View Post
    he is COUNTING the destruction by the world engine in the death toll.
    im telling you IT IS NOT POSSIBLE that even 500 people would have been killed by there direct one on one fighting.

    read my opening post here.
    http://forums.comicbookresources.com...-the-zod-fight

    even if everyone of thoose buildings where filled to capacity with people (which they where not, every shot we saw inside any of the buldings there was not a soul in sight) that would be a f##king absurd body count, ONLY A SINGLE BUILDING ACTUALLY FELL AS A RESULT OF THERE FIGHT

    watch for your self
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    How many people have died in the Walking Dead ? How many people have died in the Avengers battle 2 years ago ? Honestly no one really knows. If Snyder puts a number on who died in Metropolis then that is your best number to go with. Because he was behind the film.

    In all I can't wait for the blu-ray tomorrow as well as the sequel. I wanna see how they handle Batman and Superman meeting for the 1st time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Series5Ranger View Post
    See here's the thing as well Zod has only had a couple of days to absorb Solar Radiation and Superman has had like what, 30+ years? Is he really Superman's equal in the power Department? Clark has at least 20+ years experience in using his powers and he can't beat a guy who just got then 4 days ago? I enjoyed the movie but the death toll (according to Snyder) is unrealistic.
    Dude, the movie made it pretty clear he hadn't used his powers AT ALL up til the Kryptonians landed on Earth. Hence why we see him learning to fly (beginning with leaps and bounds), and discovering new things like his laser eyebeam. The only thing he had really discovered about himself, as shown with the childhood scene where he rescues the busload of schoolkids, and the oil rig scene, was his superstrength. However, I'm still with you on the idea that Zod somehow became Supe's equal in the strength department in the matter of a day or two (it really was only a day or two, because Zod stayed aboard the Kryptonian spacecraft which maintained a Kryptonian atmosphere; hence he was not adjusting to Earth's atmospherics during that time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Series5Ranger View Post
    See here's the thing as well Zod has only had a couple of days to absorb Solar Radiation and Superman has had like what, 30+ years? Is he really Superman's equal in the power Department? Clark has at least 20+ years experience in using his powers and he can't beat a guy who just got then 4 days ago? I enjoyed the movie but the death toll (according to Snyder) is unrealistic.
    It was mentioned that power comes not from the sun but from atmosphere, Zod being bred warrior adapted much faster to new surroundings than farm boy Clark. He also had Clark to see what he "can do" while Clark for all those years wasn't really aware that he could fly or shoot lazors.
    lots of dots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodigy X View Post
    Superman didn't cause the death of those people. Zod did. To think that he had full control over that fight is ludicrous. Zod's intention was to kill Superman and as many humans as he could to hurt him. There is going to be some collateral damage when two God-Like beings are fighting and one is intent on nothing but death and destruction for all humans. In MOS he coudn't just fly around the Earth really fast to turn back time and undo any death and destruction.
    The problem wasn't the destruction, the problem is that he didn't seem to give two shits about it. The ending it's presented as a happy ending, who the hell would be happy after that?

    Even in Avengers with it's Wrestlemania of a plot had a moment to tell us that people actually care about the ton of people who died. Just a scene of him helping with the relief effort of all the people caught in the rubble, just a scene of him trying to pull Zod away so that he can save someone (Because according to Faora, that was his "weakness", just a shot showing us that he indeed gave a rats ass before he saw the family would have make the neck actually mean something.

    My problem really isn't that he killed Zod, or that he destoyed Metropolis, it was how it was done. It was poor script-writing to completely sacrifice your character motivation in favor of aesthetics.
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