Plus Kaine, Justice, and Speedball aren't teens.
X-Factor went 149 issues before being canceled and then had a 4 issue second volume before coming back and then went over 100 issues again, but it didn't drop to cancelation type numbers in only 10 months. Similarly, JiM had a steady fanbase, until it didn't and then it was canned ten issues into the new direction. Academy declined slower but eventually got to that point and was canned as well. Captain Marvel debuted at over 40k and dropped more than half of that a year later and didn't even get the bump from a tie-in that a lot of other books normally get, only getting a 4k boost and then a 1k drop.
Like I said above, I have every issue, but the stories were weak and seemed to be written for people who knew all of the little tidbits about the character's past and that might have lost some people, along with the "art" on the back half. The Monic Rambeau issues were my personal favorites. I have every issue of the last Ms. Marvel series, and that was the only time this character has ever been able to make it past year two and that was with massive exposure from House of M, New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Secret Invasion, and Civil War and a period where she was getting tie-ins to major events regularly. Man, I miss that series! lol
Anyway, I don't think this book needs a relaunch with the same writer who also lost over 10k readers in 9 months after taking over Avengers Assemble and who got this one dropped to below 20k so quickly is necessarily the solution. I fully get what you're saying and agree with much of it, mind you, particularly you points on different IP and the like, which I think were well made. I do, however, think that there's no real indication the same writer will be able to right the ship and I think there's a difference between a character who, combining ALL of her series, hasn't even had 100 issues and a series like X-Factor which has had a long 25 year+ history of a fanbase and Peter David who's had a long following as well. I mean, back in October of last year the 245th issue of X-Factor was selling only a few thousand lower than the FIFTH issue of Captain Marvel. So it took the book 5 months to hit close to what it took another book nearly 100 issues (because that volume went 1-50, then began again at 200) to drop to. Longevity doesn't seem to be in the cards with this creative team and it pains me to say that since I like the character very much. I even wrote a piece on my website, pimping the character: http://www.nerdtopiacast.com/2012/08...arvel-captain/ and I loved the hell out of the first few issues, so it's not like I'm a "hater" or any of that.
But like I said above, they can talk up the "Carol Corps" all they want and mention all the cosplayers at every convention; but if they're not showing up to BUY the issues, that's not going to change. We always hear group x wants more of books headlines by group x and then those books come out...and get ignored unless there's the right creative team nine in ten times. I currently get Batwoman, Captain Marvel, Batgirl, Birds of Prey, Fearless Defenders, Buffy (well, used to, it's over for now), Angel and Faith (same), and formerly got X-23 and Black Widow and I've seen the same sad trend the majority of the time. People need to put their money where their mouths are and I think there's often seemingly a disconnect between the presumed fanbase and the purchasing one, which is what a business needs more of.
In any case, have a good night. I know we didn't see eye to eye on everything, and possibly won't, but differences of opinion are what make the world go 'round and I'm glad you presented yours without animosity or insults. I can respect that a LOT more than someone trotting out insults! lol
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Elektra, Punisher and Kaine.....everything else at the panel I could definitely do without. It looks like the 2014 Spider house is shaping up to be just like 2013.
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The following quote is by Albert Ching, Senior Editor:
Responding to a question about the nature of the Captain Marvel/Spider-Man relationship, DeConnick said, "They tried flirting, and it was so lame. 'Wow, that totally does not work.' But they have like a noogie relationship. It's like a little brother type of thing." "I think she legitimately likes him," Wacker added. Slott counters: "But that Spider-Man is dead."
I can't understand why they had to announce Captain Marvel's new series at the Spider Panel. Shouldn't this announcement fitted to take place at the Marvel Heroes/Inhumanity panel?
I'm surprised that people are complaining about these announcements.
The comparisons between Black Widow and Elektra make no sense as they are different characters. That's like saying Marvel shouldn't print Spider-man because there's a Captain America series.
Captain Marvel was a pretty good series that suffered from rotating artists of varying quality, that's something that seems to be corrected this time.
An Elektra and New Warrior series from Wells and Punisher from Edmonson sounds like gold and I definitely look forward to trying these out.
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Adults struggle desperately with fiction, demanding constantly that it conform to the rules of everyday life when the answer is obvious to the smallest child: because it's not real. - Grant Morrison
All the former members in Addition to speedball and Justice: Rage, Timeslip, Silhouette, 2nd Night Trasher, Namorita, Helix, Turbo, slapstick...
We all know how long New Warriors lasted when they replaced original members with new characters like Microbe or the former x-Kids.
I don't mind David Lopez's art myself. His females look like supermodels compared to Filip Andrades. Hopefully Lopez is rotating with someone else (please!).