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    There are lots of possible reasons, but the ones I hear most often have to do with the fact that DC and Marvel don't have the same business model. DC makes a ton more from trades than Marvel, and there have been repeated rumors that they run the physical publishing side more efficiently.
    Anyone who thinks DC is bringing back the Silver Age doesn't know what the Silver Age is.

    There is no such word as "persay," it's per se, two words, from the Latin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinsir View Post
    Here is the thing; Supergirl sells about 19, 000 units I believe, yet it is still in the top 100.
    Here is the thing-you will have a line of folks trying to fix that book once it hits below 20K (where it is not at right now). This issue with DC is they pick and choose who they want to save.

    How many creative teams did Deathstroke, Hawkman, Beetle, Legion & Firestorm get before they got axed? More than 1 set of folks got those books. Expect Superboy & Green Arrow to get a new team too.

    While Static got none. So if someone higher up likes you get x number of shots and if they hate you-you get dumped ASAP.

    And then look at I Vampire. You would have been better set to keep it going put out Team 7 or Threshold. At least you know that trade would have sold.

    And Batwing-even I have to ask WHY is it still around? Is Dc that desperate to have a black minority lead book that bad? When everyone wants either Static or Cyborg. With Cyborg being the main name due to Justice League-so all lead members would have a solo series (and maybe Cyborg could get a personality in it).

    I hear most often have to do with the fact that DC and Marvel don't have the same business model. DC makes a ton more from trades than Marvel, and there have been repeated rumors that they run the physical publishing side more efficiently.
    Well Dc lucks out in trades because you can find a variety of them in stores unlike Marvel where you find Avengers, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Captain America & Black Panther.

    Of the new 52-I can say I have seen at least 1 trade of every series except-Green Lantern Corps, Supergirl, Team 7 (is one out yet?, World's Finest & Earth 2.
    Of the old DC Universe I think the only trades I did not see was Wonder Woman's last series, the final run of Teen Titans & pretty much all the final trades (except Xombi) before the new 52.

    Of Marvel-She Hulk, Young Avengers, Blade, Defenders, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova, X-Force (the early years), the Bendis era on Moon Knight, Captain Marvel, Red Hulk, Journey in to Mystery, X-Factor (Peter David era including his 90s run), Avengers Arena (I think one of those volumes is out) & Fantastic Foundation are MIA. Miles Morales's trades-LOL is the hardest trade to find in stores.

    Heck IDW, Kaboom Boom & Archie trades are easier to find than some Marvel trades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    And Batwing-even I have to ask WHY is it still around? Is Dc that desperate to have a black minority lead book that bad? When everyone wants either Static or Cyborg. With Cyborg being the main name due to Justice League-so all lead members would have a solo series (and maybe Cyborg could get a personality in it).
    To be fair, Batwing has improved tremendously since Palmiotti has assumed writing duties and Luke Fox has become the Batwing. But I do get your point, the title's sales don't justify its existence.

    Well Dc lucks out in trades because you can find a variety of them in stores unlike Marvel where you find Avengers, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Captain America & Black Panther.

    Of the new 52-I can say I have seen at least 1 trade of every series except-Green Lantern Corps, Supergirl, Team 7 (is one out yet?, World's Finest & Earth 2.
    Of the old DC Universe I think the only trades I did not see was Wonder Woman's last series, the final run of Teen Titans & pretty much all the final trades (except Xombi) before the new 52.

    Of Marvel-She Hulk, Young Avengers, Blade, Defenders, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova, X-Force (the early years), the Bendis era on Moon Knight, Captain Marvel, Red Hulk, Journey in to Mystery, X-Factor (Peter David era including his 90s run), Avengers Arena (I think one of those volumes is out) & Fantastic Foundation are MIA. Miles Morales's trades-LOL is the hardest trade to find in stores.

    Heck IDW, Kaboom Boom & Archie trades are easier to find than some Marvel trades.
    I'm not really clear on what you're saying here. Marvel's trade collections can be found in the same place at DC's. And for at least the last five or so years, both publishers have justified trade collections of every series, provided it burped out at least six issues. DC has a much more languid publishing program for its trades, which often come out in hardback a year or more after storylines have ended in the comic book. Marvel tends to wrap up every six issues into a quickie trade edition. It's my impression that there are many more trade waiters for DC comics, that follow characters through collections exclusively, than for Marvel, but it's not exactly like I have hard data. DC comics also has an extensive portfolio of Golden Age material they can reprint which may account for their increased market share in trade collections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reggie1 View Post
    I'm not really clear on what you're saying here. Marvel's trade collections can be found in the same place at DC's. And for at least the last five or so years, both publishers have justified trade collections of every series, provided it burped out at least six issues. DC has a much more languid publishing program for its trades, which often come out in hardback a year or more after storylines have ended in the comic book. Marvel tends to wrap up every six issues into a quickie trade edition. It's my impression that there are many more trade waiters for DC comics, that follow characters through collections exclusively, than for Marvel, but it's not exactly like I have hard data. DC comics also has an extensive portfolio of Golden Age material they can reprint which may account for their increased market share in trade collections.
    Here's the thing with DC vs Marvel in trade: DC crushes Marvel in the bookstore market. I like how Marvel puts out trades more quickly than DC, but taken as a whole, their system just isn't working.

    Here are the 2012 Bookscan numbers from the top 750:

    DC: 104 entries; 688,870 units; $14,811,979 dollar sales
    Marvel: 32 entries; 141,145 units; $3,872,683 dollar sales

    That's not competition, that's domination.

    DC's bookstore program is working. Marvel's isn't. Yes, DC has lost its top spot thanks to the Walking Dead, but they are still doing well and have more titles in the chart than any other western company.
    Anyone who thinks DC is bringing back the Silver Age doesn't know what the Silver Age is.

    There is no such word as "persay," it's per se, two words, from the Latin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    How many creative teams did Deathstroke, Hawkman, Beetle, Legion & Firestorm get before they got axed? More than 1 set of folks got those books. Expect Superboy & Green Arrow to get a new team too.
    You mean yet another replacement now that Lemire is writing Green Arrow?

    You do know it's selling decently now?
    June 2013:
    * 79th - GREEN ARROW #21 - 26,924 copies
    (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/26148.html)

    July 2013:
    * 95th - GREEN ARROW #22 - 26,172 copies
    (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/26456.html)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    You mean yet another replacement now that Lemire is writing Green Arrow?

    You do know it's selling decently now?
    June 2013:
    * 79th - GREEN ARROW #21 - 26,924 copies
    (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/26148.html)

    July 2013:
    * 95th - GREEN ARROW #22 - 26,172 copies
    (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/26456.html)
    You have to forgive Skyvolt. He's got a major hard-on when it comes to Static, and he's definitely got a point. I like Static myself, and I hate teen books as a rule. Just wish he'd get a good book with a legit creative team.

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