Perfectly encapsulated where X-Gene Positives should be going.
Had good intentions, but was phrased wrong and gave a bad impression
Didn't leave an impact on me one way or another.
Is impossible for me to judge fairly thanks to Remender's 'hobo piss' comment
Might have been MEANT to be inspirational but turned out offensive from beginning to end.
Was just offensive from beginning to end.
Mutants is not a dirty word!
But I still am standing with Alex not being written as a stooge, and everybody seeing him as such is just seeing things that they want to see.
I've noticed that a very specific group of people seem to be viewing this as a way to make fun of the X-Boards, and X-Men fans in general. I think it might be worth reminding them that their favourite character isn't called the b-word panther
All of this has actually been covered on-panel.
The fact that Alex knows all of this and agrees to take the position makes him a stooge. Yes, he potentially has the chance to eventually subvert the opportunity and make a genuine difference, but we've not been shown any hint of that.
Sakes, he's even prompted by Jan when he's supposed to trumpet the company catchphrase!
Stooge is not an unfair label, by any means.
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Women are beautiful. But we're not here for your goddamn titillation.- junesdisco
That'a pretty binary way of thinking. It's true that there might not be a nice way to say something, but that doesn't mean you choose an overly negative way either, does it? You can convey your opinion precisely without sugarcoating or over negativity.There is no nice way to call someone a puppet, and I don't see why someone should sugarcoat their opinion to the point that they lose all semblence of precision in their complaint. Especially when they are discussing a fictional character, and not the writer themselves.
I think a big part of this book is that the Utopia era of the X-Men is over. Neither Wolverine, nor Cyclops are going to unite the X-men again. I don't see Alex as ever actually leading the actual X-men, but this could be the catalyst for team to reunite. He might seem as an unlikely character to do so, but this is where we have to trust Marvel and its writers. We have to remember that this book was part of Marvels plan and given to Rick to write. This was going to happen regardless of who wrote it. I don't believe in fans having much to say about the books they read. That's where shit like Jason Todd get killed off before he has the chance to redeem himself as intended happens.
Writers all have their own pace, and if Uncanny X-force has shown me anything, its that Remender has a plan. I fully expect Alex to be dragged through the dirt twenty fold before Rick has him as the leader he intends him to be. But I know the ride is going to be fun, and I have to have faith in the guy writing what so far has been good comics.
It is perfectly reasonable from the story so far to view Havok as Government puppet.But I still am standing with Alex not being written as a stooge, and everybody seeing him as such is just seeing things that they want to see.
I think mutants will be united, united against Havoks stupidity. Milligans Storm or Emma need to show up.
In case anyone's looking to take a breather from the X-Boards and discuss this topic somewhere else...specifically Strong Guy's similarly worded, though entirely ideologically different, speech.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.
gee, so many people dont get Scott. at least not his modern(ONLY) characterization, stuck in the old characterization of "random leader, but not captain america, i dunno what he is, just boring". see, scott already has an antithesis: mrSinister.
they are both great planners and control freaks,"magnificent bastards" and use people as pawns in their neverending chess game.
their difference is just in their goals; sinister sees himself as seperate/detached from the world, scott sees himself as part of the world(especialy as member of mutantkind).
if Havoc is an antithesis of something, it is captain america. he is like a "wild thing" version of captain america.
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On point #1; While I agree with marvel in trying to unite their 2 biggest franchises, they should not have done so on an even that split the two fan bases even more. An even where the Avengers and X-Men united to stop the phoenix force would have been a far better idea than the two teams fighting for that long.
and #2; If Marvel is going to continue to thrive, both these books really need to be changed in how they are written seeing as they are the only books that last nowadays. Not even other classic books such as Defenders can survive very long anymore. With such continuity, which I love, Marvel can either shake things up or continue regurgitating the same stories like it has been. I'd rather see the former than more of the latter.