Apocalypse vs. the High Evolutionary

[nervmeister]

Two like-minded individuals who believe that evolution should prevail no matter how ethically questionable their methods to that end are face off. Who wins with.....

a. standard equipment

b. prep

[Estrecca]

Except for that one fight I vaguely recall in which Apocalypse manhandles the High Evolutionary, I seem to remember HE being several steps higher in the power ladder.

[priunicron]

I have read an article about High Evolutionary and in aspect of strength, he is below Apocalypse. So Apocalypse can give him a smack before High Evolutionary uses his esoteric powers.

[big_adventure]

HE is on a much higher level.

And his armor is beyond Pocky's ability to hurt.

[Beadle]

I have read an article about High Evolutionary and in aspect of strength, he is below Apocalypse. So Apocalypse can give him a smack before High Evolutionary uses his esoteric powers.

OK, this makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

Firstly, strength ≠ speed. So whether or not he's stronger means nothing about whether he can react before The High Evolutionary.

Secondly, they start off 100' apart. So esoterics are much more useful at the start than "giving someone a smack".

Thirdly, High Evolutionary's armour is pretty bloody epic. Pocky-lips has little-to-no chance of breaching it.


And going back to the OP....

b. prep

Dear sweet Lord above is Pocky screwed here.

Doom and Richards probably know more varied branches of science, but in his specialist areas Wyndham treats them like sub-normal children.

In fields like genetics, if you think what it would be like if you gave the combined team of Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, Nathaniel Essex and Arnim Zola prep time against Apocalypse, it still wouldn't be in the same ballpark as what Wyndham could do with prep. Heck, it wouldn't even feel like the same sport, let alone the same ballpark.

With prep, Apocalypse is devolved to a cup full of amino acid at the bell.

[nervmeister]

Dear sweet Lord above is Pocky screwed here.

Doom and Richards probably know more varied branches of science, but in his specialist areas Wyndham treats them like sub-normal children.

In fields like genetics, if you think what it would be like if you gave the combined team of Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, Nathaniel Essex and Arnim Zola prep time against Apocalypse, it still wouldn't be in the same ballpark as what Wyndham could do with prep. Heck, it wouldn't even feel like the same sport, let alone the same ballpark.

With prep, Apocalypse is devolved to a cup full of amino acid at the bell.

Damn. He's THAT good? If so, why haven't I seen this guy in more rumbles? Especially considering how much Dr. Doom and Thanos are touted around here. Heck, even Kang the Conqueror has gotten more exposure here than him.

[priunicron]

After doing some research, I think I was too quick to make a conclusion.

Actually HE is a being who transformed Galactus into a brain and put him in a jar, so he won't feel hungry again.

[Beadle]

Damn. He's THAT good? If so, why haven't I seen this guy in more rumbles? Especially considering how much Dr. Doom and Thanos are touted around here. Heck, even Kang the Conqueror has gotten more exposure here than him.

Because:

a) He's a comparatively rarely used character in the comics, particularly these days.
b) He's not really a combat kinda guy. He's got the juice to compete, but he's more of a thinker than a fighter.
c) There isn't much call for "Who can devolve the other guy fastest?" Rumbles.

[big_adventure]

Damn. He's THAT good? If so, why haven't I seen this guy in more rumbles? Especially considering how much Dr. Doom and Thanos are touted around here. Heck, even Kang the Conqueror has gotten more exposure here than him.

Yup, he's that good. He's not used much in comics because he's not really good nor evil, and he's not really the "casually cause untold collateral damage while being neither good nor evil" like Galactus is. He's off, on his own, mutating beings to high-end meta levels and then letting them figure it out from there. He's not used much in Rumbles because you (mostly) need a cosmic or a DC speed-blitz (and that's a maybe, his armor is insane) to beat him. He stomps on damn near any non-cosmic he can react to and/or hurt, and loses to those he can't. And since he's not really interesting or super-popular, he doesn't have fans insisting on setting him up on Rumbles blind dates with people he has nothing in common with. And with prep, he's capable of power-jacking or devolving pretty much anyone. He builds worlds, places them in counter-orbit to earth and runs the show on them. Little things like that.