PREVIEW: Young Avengers #3

[Kieran_Frost]

Billy needs to level up his magic missiles.

DARN IT!!! Now I need to play Baldur's Gate or Skyrim and build the ultimate Billy!

I'm such a perv but I look at that and wonder if that's Teddy's "O face"

I had the EXACT same thought!

[jphamlore]

Yep, KidLoki made it through five arcs in Journey into Mystery without ever throwing a punch or any projectile. He did blow up famous British landmarks, though

Didn't Kid Loki strike Leah as part of a holiday issue?

[xerosere]

RELENTLESSLY POSITIVE MONTH

Oh my word, isn't it great that Marvel is investing so many new series in characters that were created in the last ten years! Kid Loki's the only one with any history and even that doesn't kinda count!

And gosh, they're effectively doing a half-sequel to two of the most loved books of the last five years, one which wasn't even cancelled even though it featured the lead character never punching anyone!

/RELENTLESSLY POSITIVE MONTH

I don't know who you are but I think I love you XD.

... Well maybe not that far, that would be creepy- but you win the comment award!

Didn't Kid Loki strike Leah as part of a holiday issue?

not sure if lightly punting your bff on the shoulder and then getting blasted out of the cave in response really counts XD

[Twil]

I like the art except for McKelvie's faces. They all look pretty much the same. Either passively happy, bored, or yelling angry.

That's two more than Cheung could do. Just saying.

[Darkspellmaster]

Part A: On the Preview, like the action that is happening a little iffy on the panels in the first part. It can be a bit confusing to follow that spread just a bit on the first page. Are Teddy and Billy both attacking at the same time before Teddy gets snapped? Also is it just me or are Bear Traps becoming a new thing for Villains to use. First in the new batgirl series (one of the character's there got his leg trapped in one by a nut job vigliante) and now Teddy in YA. Just seems like a pattern is happening here. Wonder if they all buy them at Villains R Us, the one stop shop for all your evil doing needs.

Part B: In response to the "Don't like don't read point" here's the problem, that would be okay if there was another teen book on the market from Marvel, but right now all we have is AA which isn't really that endearing for various reasons (if you don't like the theme of it then you're not going to want to pick it up) and YA. There used to be other Teen books but they all but vanished as of now, so what does a fan of teen stories do? I would have said pick up something from DC but their YJ line is mucked up and down to two books, one of which is a poessed and evil Tim turned JJ Jr (ala batman beyond) as per the whims of Joker and apparently Raven leading the Titans, and the other is Leigon which I don't know will be remaining. So Yeah not too man decent teen books out there to pick from .

Part C: In regard to plot and pacing. I think one thing that is easily forgotten is that this YA may be someone's first YA, and they may never have read the first incarnation. Because of this I think I can see both sides of the coin if you will on the issue in regard to the liking and disliking of the book. For the side that likes it, I can see the point of "Well we already know the characters and their back story" so really a slower pace works for say older, in the know, fans. On the other hand, lets say hypotheically I'm totally new to YA, never read the first series, I'm a bit screwed with the way the story is going.

Let me explain it this way. The opening sequence of Issue 1 is an easy thing for an older fan to get. We know who kate is, fans of Hawkeye know who Kate is, but someone who doesn't read hawkeye or the first YA will not get who she is. And I don't mean that they won't know who she is, they'll know her name, and that she's a superhero, but other than that we don't have much of an establishment that "Hey this is Kate Bishop, she shoots arrows, has an interesting past and her connection to the YA team is this..." nor for that matter do we get much on Noh Varr. We know he's an alien, but things like "Why is he being chased by aliens" is kind of thrown on the way side. I can handle NV not getting an intro, but it would have been nice for some sort of Establishing shot of Kate so that people who didn't know her would get to know who she is.

For me I usually rate a teen book based on PAD's YJ story. I guess what I would have liked to have had in the case of YA was something of a mini explination or Recap of events for people who didn't know who anyone is. If I came in blind I would have been a bit lost, and I think it would have been nice to use either the approach of established members interacting with one another (Other then Billy and Teddy) as a means of showing the group dynamic from before, or at least a flashback of that. Or, do as BMQ did with Batgirl and have someone give a quick breif run down of events in the simplist terms possible. Couldn't have taken more then two pages at most and would give readers and idea of what had happened then and what's going on now.

[pepper]

I suppose a recap page would make it easier for new readers, but I don't think it necessary. I mean, what do you need to know about the kids, at this point, beyond their personalities and their roles in this plot?

[Post Monster]

Also is it just me or are Bear Traps becoming a new thing for Villains to use. First in the new batgirl series (one of the character's there got his leg trapped in one by a nut job vigliante) and now Teddy in YA. Just seems like a pattern is happening here. Wonder if they all buy them at Villains R Us, the one stop shop for all your evil doing needs.

There must have been a huge sale on bear traps at Villains-R-US last month. Sinister just used one in A+X.

[Darkspellmaster]

I suppose a recap page would make it easier for new readers, but I don't think it necessary. I mean, what do you need to know about the kids, at this point, beyond their personalities and their roles in this plot?

Well if you just came into it, knowing their past dynamic would be nice, as it would allow for new readers to know basically the reasons behind the break up, and how they used to interact compared to now. Kind of lets a reader know, "Hey this is what it was like before and we're going forward based on that." Marvel also should have preempted this with a rerelease of YA's first series and the oneshots so that new readers that like this might want to go back and see how it was all started.

There must have been a huge sale on bear traps at Villains-R-US last month. Sinister just used one in A+X.

O_O Oh man. Yeah looks like they got too big of a supply and are trying to get rid of them as fast as they can. Next up a new hero or villain who's power comes from weilding bear traps! We can call him Trapper John. (and if anyone gets that Joke I will be very suprised.)

[pepper]

Well if you just came into it, knowing their past dynamic would be nice, as it would allow for new readers to know basically the reasons behind the break up, and how they used to interact compared to now. Kind of lets a reader know, "Hey this is what it was like before and we're going forward based on that." Marvel also should have preempted this with a rerelease of YA's first series and the oneshots so that new readers that like this might want to go back and see how it was all started.

But then you might overwhelm new readers with information that may never be referenced again. I think it's better to just focus on establishing the dynamic of the current team. ATD.

[yanapryde]

Arguing that you follow a title that you DON'T LIKE simply because the genre has, for lack of a better term, shrunk(?)....is silly.
C'mon!
If I want a bag of chips, and I dont like eating BBQ flavor, but that's all the store has....I don't buy them. Forgive me, but that's dumb.

Comic readers or too conflicting in their criticism. When a writer provides as much detail as possible for new readers, the fans argue they're being unnecessarily spoon-fed. When a writer takes a minimalist, slow-revealing approach, the fans complain its hard to follow and alienates new readers.

My advice: You don't like BBQ chips? Don't buy 'em. Don't eat 'em. More chips will be made available with time.

[Kieran_Frost]

Part C: In regard to plot and pacing. I think one thing that is easily forgotten is that this YA may be someone's first YA, and they may never have read the first incarnation. Because of this I think I can see both sides of the coin if you will on the issue in regard to the liking and disliking of the book. For the side that likes it, I can see the point of "Well we already know the characters and their back story" so really a slower pace works for say older, in the know, fans. On the other hand, lets say hypotheically I'm totally new to YA, never read the first series, I'm a bit screwed with the way the story is going.

I understand the point... but the vocal objectors in-question are NOT new readers. They know fully well who everyone is... "confusion" is not the issue.

P.S. and yana's 100% right. I don't need to keep drinking beer (KNOWING I don't like it) just because I want some alcohol.

[PretenderNX01]

P.S. and yana's 100% right. I don't need to keep drinking beer (KNOWING I don't like it) just because I want some alcohol.

I'd say that's a good example- not trying to jump on Spellmaster because it is a valid complaint if they don't do teen books in a style you like as it's a valid complaint if I'm at a bar that only has beer (I don't like hops). But I wouldn't buy a beer and be surprised it's still beer, I might encourage the establishment to do a cider or a stout while I drink soda.

I can understand being sucked into one issue, I got a raspberry flavored ale thinking it would be very different than pale ale but the taste of hops shined through. I don't disparage it for being something other people like, it's just not my thing. I defiantly don't keep buying and complaining my beer tastes like beer.

I get many people might find out this YA isn't their thing, I just don't get how people seem to think something that makes other happy should be changed for just them.

And if you're drinking stuff you don't like just to get alcohol, you have an addiction problem. LOL. Like if your buy a series you don't like just to get a "fix".

O_O Oh man. Yeah looks like they got too big of a supply and are trying to get rid of them as fast as they can. Next up a new hero or villain who's power comes from weilding bear traps! We can call him Trapper John. (and if anyone gets that Joke I will be very suprised.)

I know I remembered a character named Trapper John, had to Google to make sure.

Random fact, one of the Green Lantern movie figures came with a bear-trap construct.

But then you might overwhelm new readers with information that may never be referenced again. I think it's better to just focus on establishing the dynamic of the current team. ATD.

I think the recap page was good enough. I don't know a lot about MAC or Kid Loki but I read a bit on Wiki and figure I'll know from the story what I need to.