PREVIEW - Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates #22

[jphamlore]

I NEVER saw the Liberators as justified. EVER.

The Liberators won. They broke the US government's monopoly on the Ultimates as a military force.

The US in Ultimates was dead wrong trying to use the Ultimates to enforce foreign policy, and it paid the price.

[jphamlore]

Only by understanding that the Liberators won in Ultimates 2 can one understand say Hickman and Humphries run.

The US has to learn the lesson again when it is shown its other weapons of mass destruction, its nuclear force, is actually totally useless. The use of the entire nuclear arsenal against the City neither destroys the City nor prevents the devastating counterattack that decapitates US leadership in Washington DC.

It's all perfectly and finely shown. The arsenal does inflict substantial damage on the City, enough to kill off some of what was supposed to be the prized next generation. This is an anti-ID4 type scenario, because what is implied is that had the United States worked with the rest of the world against the threat of the City, who Reed Richards did say was going to cause the extinction of the rest of humanity, as did the Americans in the movie ID4, a coordinated strike would have indeed struck down the City, say with followup strikes by the Russian nuclear arsenal and then perhaps the Chinese arsenal.

[Robbie_Jee]

The Liberators won. They broke the US government's monopoly on the Ultimates as a military force.

You're just making things up now. The Ultimates were stronger than ever after The Ultimates 2.

The US in Ultimates was dead wrong trying to use the Ultimates to enforce foreign policy, and it paid the price.

The Liberators achieved very little.

After the the events of The Ultimates 2 the Ultimates STILL continued to be an international task force. They still fought battles abroad. But you seem to think the Ultimates were forced to stay in their country, but that just isn't true.

There are many examples of The Ultimates continuing to be a global task force after the events of The Ultimates 2. Clearly you haven't read the likes of UC: Captain America, UC: Avengers 3 or UC: Avengers vs New Ultimates.

BTW you seem to be ignoring mine and Balfro's posts. But I assume that's because you can't answer them. :D

[Robbie_Jee]

Only by understanding that the Liberators won in Ultimates 2 can one understand say Hickman and Humphries run.

Except that they didn't. They lost.

The US has to learn the lesson again when it is shown its other weapons of mass destruction, its nuclear force, is actually totally useless. The use of the entire nuclear arsenal against the City neither destroys the City nor prevents the devastating counterattack that decapitates US leadership in Washington DC.

That has nothing to do with The Ultimates 2. Nothing. At all. No matter how hard you try to link your theories.

It's all perfectly and finely shown. The arsenal does inflict substantial damage on the City, enough to kill off some of what was supposed to be the prized next generation. This is an anti-ID4 type scenario, because what is implied is that had the United States worked with the rest of the world against the threat of the City, who Reed Richards did say was going to cause the extinction of the rest of humanity, as did the Americans in the movie ID4, a coordinated strike would have indeed struck down the City, say with followup strikes by the Russian nuclear arsenal and then perhaps the Chinese arsenal.

I completely disagree. You think it would be best if everyone fired their nukes at the City? You're insane, man! That would blow up the earth.. the nuclear fallout alone would kill all human and animal life. Your theories are utterly bonkers.

Also, if all of America's nukes couldn't blow up the City, throwing in China's and everyone else' isn't going to do a great deal more damage. In fact, everyone would be dead except for those within the City. That's assuming the City still has more Dynamos to absorb the blast, which I'm sure it does.

[Plawsky]

If one doesn't understand that the Liberators won, one simply has not read Millar's Ultimates 2.

Have you ever heard of different interpretations?

We see in Humphries run a continuation of Millar's themes, which is why it is rather strange people are decrying a lack of continuity.

If anyone's not understanding something, it's you. No one's continuity complaints have to do with themes, it has to do with actual continuity and the timeline.

[Balfro]

If anyone's not understanding something, it's you. No one's continuity complaints have to do with themes, it has to do with actual continuity and the timeline.

Don't forget the horrible writing and dialogue... Not to mention the sub-par ultimatizations; For example when Fury blatently stated that his new team will be called the Howling Commandos. Yes that's a real thing from 616, but try and switch it up a little bit or at least build it up so the reader has a chance to figure it out for themselves. But no, he spoonfed us... again.

[Plawsky]

Don't forget the horrible writing and dialogue... Not to mention the sub-par ultimatizations; For example when Fury blatently stated that his new team will be called the Howling Commandos. Yes that's a real thing from 616, but try and switch it up a little bit or at least build it up so the reader has a chance to figure it out for themselves. But no, he spoonfed us... again.

Exactly (well, I don't mind the Howling Commandos). The themes that Humphries is playing with are nowhere near the top of the complaints list for most of us.

[Robbie_Jee]

There are some nice reads posted here. Could some of them perhaps be moved to the "Comparing The Ultimates" Thread?