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    Quote Originally Posted by jphamlore View Post
    I think you have some excellent insight into the direction of the book even through changes of writers.
    I'm not sure if you read my post correctly. I quoted From Brian Wood's run. Not Spencer's.

    Now here is a thought which I admit probably is not the intention of the writers: The Ultimate X-Men are actually by definition terrorists. They are pure terrorists.

    The reason is that there is a continuum as the saying goes that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The difference is, even from the perspective of the US, the Ultimate X-Men have no constituency, no base among the population to speak of.

    Just looking at US history, whether it was the Revolutionary War as fought in the South or the Civil War with groups such as Quantrill's Raiders, there is some group of associated people who provide support and safe havens. That does not appear to be happening with the Ultimate X-Men. They are basically alone. Now because of their superpowers they are enabled to be a lot more self-sufficient that how a random group of people would be, but that just makes them pure terrorists as would be portrayed in more jingoistic fiction.
    I'm not sure how this argues what I was saying but yeah, you make a good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie_Jee View Post
    I'm not sure if you read my post correctly. I quoted From Brian Wood's run. Not Spencer's.


    I'm not sure how this argues what I was saying but yeah, you make a good point.
    I did try to say that my OPINION about the Ultimate X-Men's being terrorists was something not even intended by the writers.

    On the other hand, I thought what you were saying in the quote below was that the story of Kitty in the direction of becoming the most hated mutant terrorist ever was something flat-out stated by both Spencer and Wood in-story. Thus it is the intention of the writers and something that can be said to continue even with a change of writers.


    Well, both Nick Spencer and Brian Wood have stated in-book that this is the story of how Kitty eventually becomes the most hated and most feared mutant in the history of the united states. That neans more hated and feared than Magneto. Kitty is currently telling this story, being the narrator. I seriously doubt both Spencer and Wood would lie to us in their opening pages. Especially such a big lie in such an important and memorable part of their runs, the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jphamlore View Post
    I did try to say that my OPINION about the Ultimate X-Men's being terrorists was something not even intended by the writers.
    Well, if you're talking about the legal term, the President of the Unites States issued a legal truce and they were declared free mutants. So legally, they are not terrorists.

    And if you were talking about the actual definition, well then quite clearly it is whoever are the vigilant government organisation that is attacking Utopia. A terrorist by definition is someone who terror-izes.

    On the other hand, I thought what you were saying in the quote below was that the story of Kitty in the direction of becoming the most hated mutant terrorist ever was something flat-out stated by both Spencer and Wood in-story. Thus it is the intention of the writers and something that can be said to continue even with a change of writers.
    That's correct. :)
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