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Rape or not there are actually a lot of people that count what happened in this comic as a negative for both Cassie, and Tim. The batboys have an interesting track record with rape. It's pretty much how we got Damien (after a retcon). There was whatever happened between Tarantula and Dick. There was that time Mirage shape shifted into Starfire and tricked Dick into sleeping with her. And didn't Black Bat save Tim from rape in the Red Robin book?
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Heck, forget Hera.
Hip worshipped her so much she had no prob sleeping with her husband.
In Zeus case, not only does Hip not appear to bow to his every whim she even had (initialy not-so friendly) sword clashes with him.
Considering there are that many stories about the Olympians being horrible, petty and spiteful. Perhaps the old Greeks (and the Amazons by extension) treated them more like they would the local crime family.
Also I don't recall Hera being all that important to the Amazons, Perez at least completely omitted her from having anything to do with their creation. Which might have to do with Hera pretty much embodies the old-world view on women; as the obedient housewife :S
Seems to me that the people who think Hippolyta was raped because Zeus was a god in her pantheon are simply looking for reasons to dislike what Azzarello did. It just feels like a thin argument to try to justify a negative opinion of the work in general. But thats neither here nor there for this thread.
As for Tim, the grin makes me assume this is Joker related and not Raven related, as do the solicits. But I suppose she could have a hand in it too. Hmm....actually....Tim's actions seem pretty odd, even for victims of Joker gas attacks and whatnot....just far too....in control. Joker's attacks always cause pure chaos and this feels too directed.
Now, Joker did do something pretty messed up with Tim when he was captured, (if memory serves), and there were trace elements of something in everyone's systems at the end of DotF. But again, turning Tim into a morally empty horndog doesnt seem like it would really fit. Maybe that's just Lobdell's writing, which can be thin as hell at times, but maybe Raven is compounding the problem and giving the Joker-addled Tim some direction and focus.
It might fit. Cassie's armor is supposed to be linked to Trigon, and Solstice (who I am really becoming a fan of) has some secrets of her own which have been hinted at and alluded to recently. So, assuming Raven is involved in Tim's actions, taking advantage of his Joker weakened state, it might make sense that he's "targeting" the girls (giggity.)
Yup, thats my theory for now.
It's not lying about your finances to woman to get her to sleep with you. Tim is possibly under the control of someone else. It's kind of like a girl choosing to sleep with a guy she knows very well but it's actually his twin brother pretending to be him. It's a very sick thing to do to someone and I don't see how that can't be considered rape. The girl wants to sleep with Tim but instead she might be sleeping with some other sicko.
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There is no reason for a law not to be against twin brothers/sisters tricking their siblings SO into sex and there is no reason for it not to be rape. Rape isn't just pointing guns and forcing people. If someone is possessing Tim and having sex with her, it's a pretty sick thing. The person taking over Tim could be a 90 year old child molester or it might even be her dad.
Here's what I don't get: why do people freak out when this happens in comics? It's possible it's meant to be rape. That happens to people in real life and comics are meant to explore and reflect reality with paranormality.
Sometimes that's a story that needs to be shown. Sometimes it can enlighten you to bad things happening irl in a storytelling way.
Note: I haven't read the issue in question, just some of the spoilers and discussion.
Now, we don't have many clear laws regarding demons taking over a person's behavior, so, it's hard to say just what the law would/should be in the DCU. But, if someone else is driving Tim's body - eg., Tim is NOT in control and someone else is directly pulling the strings - then, yes, imo, I say that Cassie AND Tim were both raped.
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EVERYTHING is better with less rape in it.
Comic stories included.