Iron Man vs. The Thing H2H

[Harbinger19]

Apologies if this has been done before, but my search yielded no results.

Which versions of these two win against the other in a purely hand-to-hand fight?

EDIT: Tony can use the suit's strength, reaction time, durability, healing factor, but no force fields or invisibility or flight. Basically, he can only use things that Ben has on some level.

[bionics]

Apologies if this has been done before, but my search yielded no results.

Which versions of these two win against the other in a purely hand-to-hand fight?

Purely hand-to-hand? As in Iron-Man is restricted only to duking it out with the Thing? Can he use aerial maneuvers at all? That is, could he fly up into the air and hit him with a missile dropkick or something?

If it's just Kimbo Slice street fighting rules, then this fight probably goes to the Thing. As soon as he pounded the suit with enough direct hits he'd crack it like a peanut shell.

[Spamotron]

I think the Thing's and Iron Man's strength and durability feats are comparable though Ben's are slightly better. I think Ben is more skilled but Tony has some nice "trained by Captain America," hand to hand feats outside the armor that keep him competitive in that area. We have author statements from Matt Fraction that Tony still has the superhuman reflexes he received from Extremis but I don't know if he has any on page feats showing them. If he still has superspeed by board standards of evidence then Tony wins. If not I'd say Ben has the edge.

[big_adventure]

Tony also has beyond-Cap HtH stuff programmed directly into the armor. He hasn't used it in a while, but he's got the feat for it.

If he can use all of the armor's non-offensive features, he takes this easily - he's got flight, Extremis reflexes, the auto-programmed stuff in the suit, his healing factor, a forcefield that no-sells stuff at the Thing's level, plus he's at least as durable (without the field boost), far more agile and likely stronger. He can also blind Ben with flashes, and use invisibility-level stealth. Ben's a better fighter, and that's about it.

If it's just pure Tony-in-suit with no added stuff (flight, programmed responses, stealth, etc.) versus Ben, it's closer. Tony's still likely got the strength edge and the speed edge, but Ben's fighting edge could give him some wins - he's a really solid wrestler, so if he manages to shoot Tony and take him down, he ought to be able to get submissions from time to time.

Of course, if this is Namor-beating-underwater Thing from AvX Vs., well, that's different, ain't it?*

*Note: NOT serious...

[da noble savage]

Doesn't ben have feats of comprising a sky scraper into a sword does tony have anything comparable. Not doubting simply asking cause I really don't know.

[bionics]

Doesn't ben have feats of comprising a sky scraper into a sword does tony have anything comparable. Not doubting simply asking cause I really don't know.

If we're going by those old school Marvel trading card power ratings (which used to be my Scripture as a kid), I think they both had Strength ratings of 6 out of a possible 7. That places them roughly in the same echelon. From what I've seen in the comics though, your skyscraper example being one of them, Thing is stronger overall.

I mean, Thing can trade blows with the Hulk but Tony needs a special armor to perform that feat, right?

[Beadle]

If we're going by those old school Marvel trading card power ratings (which used to be my Scripture as a kid), I think they both had Strength ratings of 6 out of a possible 7. That places them roughly in the same echelon.

We NEVER use any sort of printed "rankings" because they're notoriously unreliable and inaccurate. This is true of trading cards, RPG stats, OHOTMU ratings, Marvel / DC Wiki pages.....

From what I've seen in the comics though, your skyscraper example being one of them, Thing is stronger overall.

This, though, is a feat. These, we use. And yes, Ben has strength feats that probably exceed Tony's. The skyscraper thing being one of them.

I mean, Thing can trade blows with the Hulk but Tony needs a special armor to perform that feat, right?

They both get destroyed quite quickly if the Hulk actually lets loose on them, to be honest.

The key thing here is how much faster Tony is than Ben. If he still has Extremis-enhanced reflexes, or battle-computer reactions or whatever, then Ben isn't hitting him. He may be able to get off a thunderclap, but I'd be highly dubious on saying that would phase Tony even slightly. So Tony just keeps hitting him at speed, and with a strength close (although probably not equal) to his own.

I'd lean towards Tony in those circumstances.

If Tony DOESN'T still have enhanced reflexes, or anything in the suit to boost his reactions, then Ben's winning this.

[MichaelChen]

Iron Man fly around carrying a monster whose toenail was easily bigger than buses. He should at least rival Thing in strength, and he's got a bunch of advantages besides. He should win this.

[Beadle]

Iron Man fly around carrying a monster whose toenail was easily bigger than buses.

What?!

When was this?

[Beadle]

*sigh*

Double post. Ignore.

[MichaelChen]

Can't really find a better picture of it, sorry, but here:

[da noble savage]

Has tony done anything to show he still has his speed.

[big_adventure]

Has tony done anything to show he still has his speed.

Why would he have to? He has not had any explicit power-down - his comeback after Siege explicitely said he was BETTER than before. We don't take away someone's speed because of PIS.