HOPEFULLY those who have suggested that the Superman cover may refer to a "misplaced sense of ownership of Diana's ass" are joking. HOPEFULLY, because around here one never knows! It's got to be some sort of cross-over story aspect. I think it would be unmeasurably childish if it was due to Diana. Not a chance.Indeed - my apologies, I didn't think you misrepresented me or made it seem I was doing something I wasn't - that's what I was trying, and apparently failing to convey! ;) But much like you clarifying your position in response to the wider attitudes on the thread, I thought since my opinion on the fact had been raised, it might be a good time to clarify it.
Again, agreed - I understood what you were saying and was agreeing with it. Not that there are not instances when women's opinions are outright dismissed under this same auspice, but I don't think that's what's happening here. *fistbump*
Hmm, that's interesting. I don't think that this is an intentional examination of the fact that women are often forced into situations where they have to choose whether or not to respond to these sorts of things happening to them. I mean, that would be interesting, but the reason I don't think it works here is that it's Wonder Woman. I honestly don't think it makes sense to use her to passively highlight these sorts of trials because - even if we are imperfectly able to replicate it - the point of her character is that she exists outside this social co-option. What's refreshing and illuminating about her is her ability to make these choices for legitimate, rational reasons. I don't think, "now is not the most effective time to challenge the patriarchy," would ever cross her mind; she's a living revolution - her existence challenges it constantly. "Zola is more important than this jerk," though, most definitely is. But then the emotional drive of the decision is not reflective of the awful choices women are made to make in regards to situations like this, but rather reflective of how Diana is, by far, the bigger person - it's about her freedom, not her, um, enslavement? I
And I think that, perhaps, Azzarello skipped over the beat in the middle. Like, he doesn't shy away from gender stuff in this comic (with mixed results), but for that reason he has (a) Orion showing he's a jerk through a very gendered action and then (b) showing Diana's a bigger, more caring person than he is because she cares more about comforting Zola than punching him in the teeth, without really ever getting to (c) the practical concern of having one more story of a woman letting an ass-slap slide - perhaps especially if the message is, "be the bigger person, don't rise to the bait," since that's one of the controlling narratives that comes our way.
Which, um, now I'm sort of arguing against the scene I was originally defending (or sort of defending) because my opinions are complex. But you know, I'm just...trying to clarify what I meant.
Namely, I'm less concerned about this story in isolation (particularly as I feel it's unfinished), than I am in the context of...the rest of everything in the world. And how much the story is responsible for taking the rest of everything in the world into consideration, or even looking at the ways it may have been subliminally influenced by that everything is not a question I suspect any of us will completely agree on. Certainly Azzarello himself feels, to me, like the sort of dude who is bloody mindedly independent when it comes to his narratives. Often, I imagine, that's a strength.
I do agree with you, though, that there's been some...I won't say overreaction but harsh reaction. This is a polarising run (which is fair enough) and I think some people have grabbed onto this scene as a cathartic symbol of the aspects of the series they don't like.
I'm going to wait to see where the storyline goes before I decide whether the story beat was crass and uncomfortable, or simply slightly misjudged and part of a decent tale overall.
On a slightly related subject -
If I never see another joke about Superman beating up Orion out of some misplaced sense of ownership of Diana's ass, it'll be too soon.
If that really IS why Superman's beating up Orion, I'm going to...well, who are we kidding I'm not a very violent person and I'm terminally lazy, but man, there'll be some caustic commentary in my house. :/