wonder Woman #17 Preview discussion/spoilers

[Rob_Olivera]

I think it's interesting how Lennox doesn't seem even the least worried, whenever Orion roughs him up or threatens him. Initially, I took that for him being too dense or cocky to worry about it. I've even though he might be sure enough Diana would handle Orion for him, not to worry, but, ..now, I'm not so sure.

..or maybe he's not a bloody coward to fear someone bigger than himself. The amazons also think this way. They'll consider it an honor to die fighting.

Considering the Rockstar has been doing his gargoyle-thing, since World War II - considering he's survived that and tangled with a few fellow gods, along the way - he can't be that dense or that cocky. Furthermore, considering his age and experience in the world, and him being in pretty good shape, I don't believe (not for a second) Lennox thinks he needs his wonder-powered hermanita to save or protect him from anything. When you think about it, considering how slow-moving and talky this story arc has been, so far, we really haven't seen him in action much, but...

I think there's more to the Rockstar than meets the eye.

Oh there's more to him alright.. and not all of it good, according to whatshisface.. I forget the name.. they Fly Guy. LOL.

Lennox doesn't seem worried about Orion, anymore than he did Cerberus, whom he probably could have killed, if he had to. Milan has already told us Lennox seriously messed up one of their fellow Zeusids.

That's him.. Milan. Yes. Lennox may be that traitor coming up too.

The few scrapes he's been in, even the one with Artemis, he seems to have shaken off, quickly enough. Add it up, and he's got to be a hardcore badass just to still be standing, at this point, ..and I sure wish we could see more proof of that, than we have.

I got the impression from issue 12, that if Artemis had been just a wee-bit rougher with Lennox, he would've died. He looked pretty beat up and said as much.

Just the same,it's what we don't or haven't seen of Lennox that puts him in the prime position, narratively speaking, to betray Wonder Woman in the worst way. This title has an ugly history of portraying men as sexually irrelevant buffoons (Steve, Nemesis), gay confidantes (Steve, Warkiller) or bloodthirsty killer-rapists (Ares, Hercules), ..and I dread that Lennox may not escape that trend.

It might've been nice growing up in a world, where my favorite superheroine had a super-brother, amidst her family of Amazons. Lennox's arrival in this comic has been something of a wish-fulfillment of mine. I hope I'm wrong about what might be in store for him, down the road, aways.

I really do.

I hope you're right. He does seem like a nice addition. Unfortunately, he seems somewhat proprietary to this story. If he's the traitor mentioned in the solicits, and if his treachery is beyond reproach, he just MIGHT be out of the book permanently moving forward. Let's hope not.

On the plus side of things, it looks like Mr. Idleson and Mr. Azzarello are trying to cram a little more story into each issue. The one that introduced Milan - Issue 14 or 15, I think - really left me feeling ripped off...played. Cheated. Orion's showing up dulled my growing discontent here, considerably, ..but, it wasn't a silver bullet. Even Orion couldn't raise that issue above feeling like I'd just paid three bucks for a Sunday newspaper comic ..or the feeling that editors were purposely stretching this story arc out, longer than it had to be.

It looks like things are turning around. So, far...

Things appear to be speeding up, which isn't a bad thing! I don't even care if Azzarello leaves after this story or not. I just want him to get this over with already. We need answers to unfinished business!

[berk]

She was at least never allowed to 'flaunt' her actual power from what we know (such stories could have been lost with time after all).

Sadly it's still supposedly Zeus that kills it after dropping Mount Etna on it.

Which is what you'd expect, given the reality of the attitudes towards women in classical Greek culture. Zeus defeating Typhon is like Jahweh defeating Leviathan or Marduk defeating Tiamat. The surprising thing is that those few hints of Athena's stature survived through the centuries into the classical era: those stories must have been so well-established that they couldn't be completely suppressed, just downplayed, bent and reinterpreted to fit the patriarchal ideology.

[Mr. Holmes]

With all due respect, I think you're taking the book's mythology a little too seriously. I know you have a background in that field, but at this point you kind of have to just accept this book for what it is - a superhero/fantasy drama.

Occasionally you'll have people like Kirby, Moore, or Morrison who are really well researched and intellectual in their approach to comics, but that's the exception not the rule.

[berk]

With all due respect, I think you're taking the book's mythology a little too seriously. I know you have a background in that field, but at this point you kind of have to just accept this book for what it is - a superhero/fantasy drama.

Occasionally you'll have people like Kirby, Moore, or Morrison who are really well researched and intellectual in their approach to comics, but that's the exception not the rule.

I can't remember how it came up, to tell the truth, but yeah, in the last few posts I was just talking about Greek mythology without any reference to the WW series. Apologies for being off-topic.

[Ebon Phantom]

Looks good, can't wait to see what Diana does when she sees the scene at the bar.

[Don-Jack]

Wow, Pinna is really good.

[slvn]

Since this thread is marked spoilers, I'm assuming we can use it to discuss the issue, not just the previews? If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll move it--or, mods, of course, feel free to move it for me.

...eta: Ok, moving it.

[Don-Jack]

And that's strike 2.

[Gaelforce]

Please start a new thread for spoilers of the actual issue instead of the Preview if you wish to post anything not freely available to the public prior to publication :)