Red Hood & The Outlaws #17 Preview/Discussion

[Godlike13]

Awe thats sweet, are they gonna hug it out. WTF happen to Red Hood! ~smh~

[Mr. Holmes]

"How dare characters I don't like have any depth!"

[Godlike13]

Umm, okay. Those are definitely not my words, but sure lets just make things up and put it in quotations. Why not. "Sensitive Jason is so deep. Just look at all that depth as he consoles Damian with his sensitivity.'

[Mr. Holmes]

I can read between the lines, and not to mention your other posts about how Jason should always be a one dimensional psychopath.

[Godlike13]

If u say so. Kind of funny though that I'm the guy that doesn't like the character when it's you who saw the character as a "one demensional psychopath". But I guess liking Red Hood with edge is not liking the character, and not liking "depth".

[Shinomune]

I'm gonna need more info on that one

The Nightwing-Lady Shiva arc (Tom DeFalco) ocurred in Nightwing 13-14, before Nightwing tie-ins. Well, maybe she encountered Dick before she arrived in the church in Batgirl #15, and that can explain somehow the timelines of how Joker can be "everywhere".

But in Nightwing #15, they (Nightwing and Batgirl) talked about events in Nightwing #14 and Batman #15 (the Bat-family reunion) without mention of Babs about her mother. But wait... she mentioned her mother (not her father) in Batman #15, but timelines just don't work.

Then I don't know, maybe isn't DeFalco fault in the end, but Gail Simone/Katie Kubert & Brian Cunningham (her editors in the tie-in).

[Punter23]

The Nightwing-Lady Shiva arc (Tom DeFalco) ocurred in Nightwing 13-14, before Nightwing tie-ins. Well, maybe she encountered Dick before she arrived in the church in Batgirl #15, and that can explain somehow the timelines of how Joker can be "everywhere".

But in Nightwing #15, they (Nightwing and Batgirl) talked about events in Nightwing #14 and Batman #15 (the Bat-family reunion) without mention of Babs about her mother. But wait... she mentioned her mother (not her father) in Batman #15, but timelines just don't work.

Then I don't know, maybe isn't DeFalco fault in the end, but Gail Simone/Katie Kubert & Brian Cunningham (her editors in the tie-in).

Not thinking about it helps.

[BadBoy House]

Loving the cover to this one.

[Mr. Holmes]

If u say so. Kind of funny though that I'm the guy that doesn't like the character when it's you who saw the character as a "one demensional psychopath".

Yeah I must not be the one who likes the character, because I dislike an interpretation of the character that has no pathos. Brilliant logic there.

But I guess liking Red Hood with edge is not liking the character, and not liking "depth".

Even characters "with edge" have moments of intimacy and vulnerability. Once again, depth.

[darkseidpwns]

WTF happened to Kory's face? The Joker cut it off I tell you lol.Looks like a good issue,it's about time Damian and Jason interacted and since it's not written by Winick I can actually look forward to it.
Still Jason is being more nicer than I would've expected.

[Robotman4]

Good stuff.

I hate that Lobdell is leaving because he writes this book consistently better than Teen Titans and even Superman. If anything he should have left Titans.

I was thinking the same thing! Lobdell has been great on RHatO. I really wish he was staying on this book and leaving Teen Titans.

[Godlike13]

Yeah I must not be the one who likes the character, because I dislike an interpretation of the character that has no pathos. Brilliant logic there.

Haha! I know its terrible logic but this is ur logic. U just tried to play this logic with me like 10 posts above. Im just following ur reasoning. Don't try to criticize it now that its being redirected. At least stick behind ur fallacy.

Even characters "with edge" have moments of intimacy and vulnerability. Once again, depth.

Problem is his edge is being watered down by these moments of intimacy and vulnerability. Making for a happier, less edgy and less complex Red Hood. More tame and stable. So now they can have him do the same type of things as the others, and be more interchangeable. Oh yes though, thats "depth".

[AlfredIslas]

Lobdell leaving makes me sad. This is one of the best books I've read in the New 52 and I hope the next writer keeps up the writing on Starfire, she's great!

[Sacred Knight]

Count me among one who happens to think the New 52 has completely saved this character. Jason Todd has gone from being a poster boy for two worst kinds of recent comics cliches--the resurrection for resurrection's sake, and the good guy turned villainous psychopath--to being an interest, complex anti-hero you can get get behind when reading about, even if his methods aren't always the most honorable.

[Robotman4]

Count me among one who happens to think the New 52 has completely saved this character. Jason Todd has gone from being a poster boy for two worst kinds of recent comics cliches--the resurrection for resurrection's sake, and the good guy turned villainous psychopath--to being an interest, complex anti-hero you can get get behind when reading about, even if his methods aren't always the most honorable.

Definitely! At the time it was such a pointless resurrection. He ment so much more to Bruce's story dead. Plus the way they brought him back, the Superboy punch, was one of the worst things in recent DC history. Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, here comes Countdown. They really owe a debt of graditube to Winick for his Batman: Under the Red Hood script. Just an amazing animated movie that completely turned the character around.