In Your Face Jam - Feb 13, 2013

[CBR News]

The response to the Orson Scott Card controversy has given writer Brett White a peek at what the real comic book community is like.


Full article here.

[Allen T]

The response to the Orson Scott Card controversy has given writer Brett White a peek at what the real comic book community is like.


Full article here.

So if we don't agree with the attempt to block Card from employment we aren't part of the "real" comic book community?

Well following that logic, you sir offended me and I demand that CBR never accept any articles or work from you again.

[Emerald_616]

^Srsly?

*headdesk @ nerds who use semantic arguments just to contradict people*

[Allen T]

^Srsly?

*headdesk @ nerds who use semantic arguments just to contradict people*

Why not? He is trying to make impossible for Card to get work due to the fact that he is offended by Card's views and that is on the board on NOM, which by the way is still legal for him to do so. Card has committed no crime. The article specifically states that all that agreed with the writer about Card are part of the "real" comic book community? How is that not offensive?

BTW, I disagree with Card, but will not try to remove a platform from him just because I am offended. That is a dangerous slippery slope. You can not go through life with out being offensive to someone just as this writer proved.

[PeterWhitney]

I do not support Card, and I think that his opinions are vile and disgusting. That being said I think he should have every right to write Superman. It is a horrible thing to blacklist and deny work to people based on their personal opinions and beliefs. Where do we draw the line? Like I said, I don’t support him and won’t even consider buying his comic, but he has that right to work whether we agree with him or not.

[ChordNohVarr]

So if we don't agree with the attempt to block Card from employment we aren't part of the "real" comic book community?

Well following that logic, you sir offended me and I demand that CBR never accept any articles or work from you again.

That's a pity you feel like that--because if you're offended by that piece, you clearly have no clue to what's going on. There are are just shy of 10K signatures n the petition already--one less troll will make no difference.

[ChordNohVarr]

I do not support Card, and I think that his opinions are vile and disgusting. That being said I think he should have every right to write Superman. It is a horrible thing to blacklist and deny work to people based on their personal opinions and beliefs. Where do we draw the line? Like I said, I don’t support him and won’t even consider buying his comic, but he has that right to work whether we agree with him or not.

And that's the way to show our contempt--he can write it, but we don't have to support him.

[ChordNohVarr]

Why not? He is trying to make impossible for Card to get work due to the fact that he is offended by Card's views and that is on the board on NOM, which by the way is still legal for him to do so. Card has committed no crime. The article specifically states that all that agreed with the writer about Card are part of the "real" comic book community? How is that not offensive?

BTW, I disagree with Card, but will not try to remove a platform from him just because I am offended. That is a dangerous slippery slope. You can not go through life with out being offensive to someone just as this writer proved.

So what OSC does is less offensive than this piece? That's a strange set of priorities for someone who disagrees with OSC--the man is vile and disgusting and NOM with him.

[ChordNohVarr]

Been reading these threads and have come to this conclusion--nearly 10k people are actively upset with his--but this is just one petition , not to mention others. The real issue though, is should he write Superman? Or is it?
OSC is on the board of NOM, a group that actively promotes hate towards a sizable chunk of the population. Their intent is to deny basic civil rights to the LGBTQ community that others have had. It's not the first time this has happened---Minorities have faced this struggle for centuries. This organization uses the First Amendment as a cloak to spew hate and even violence against said community. OSC states that homosexuals should be removed from society. Now, if he only spoke his opinion, well, everyone is entitled to that TO AN EXTENT. Free Speech only guarantees that the USA will not arrest or harm you for speaking. But OSC and his people funnel money to politicians and others to keep their so-called philosophy a reality. This does people HARM. A young man in Pensacola found his home destroyed by anti-gay slurs painted inside and out--slurs which BTW, include swastikas of the Nazi style--s group that NOM receives funds from.
While it is true that we cannot prevent OSC from writing or spewing hate, we can do something positive--and NOT BUY HIS CRAP. And yes, you have the right to buy it. But remember..you can't tell OSC to spend that money on what makes you comfortable--he's going to support NOM and this money supports him. So if you have any friends in the community, you might want to ask them about their experiences with bigotry. Despite what some "intellectuals" here have said, bigotry is not an opinion..it's IGNORANCE. And we don't need to feed that ignorance in our society any more. If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't have one. But don't tell ME that bigotry is an opinion. It wasn't for MLK. it wasn't for Stonewall, and it isn't opinion NOW.

[Mikael]

"As an aside, I feel like those who don't understand why people are so up in arms about Orson Scott Card have to be straight or, if they have gay friends, have not taken the time to ask them what this is all about. They've never had their right to love questioned and turned into a divisive talking point. They've never been told they're going to hell, and members of their own family have definitely never told them that. They don't know what it's like to read about the insane acts of physical violence committed against the LGBT community and to think, "Am I next?" They don't know what it's like to be forced to question every religious belief they've ever had, once they've had the condemnation-y bits of it thrown in their face. They don't know what it's like to want representation, because seemingly every character in everything looks and loves just like them."

Wow. Who is deleting my posts? What? Now CBR is advocating censorship? Again I say - as a person of color, the above paragraph clipped from the article is offensive. You don't have to be just gay to understand all that. The writer needs to rethink his words.

[Allen T]

That's a pity you feel like that--because if you're offended by that piece, you clearly have no clue to what's going on. There are are just shy of 10K signatures n the petition already--one less troll will make no difference.

You sir are a riot. It is obvious that you did not see offense because you agree with him and rest of the so called "real" comic book community

[Allen T]

Been reading these threads and have come to this conclusion--nearly 10k people are actively upset with his--but this is just one petition , not to mention others. The real issue though, is should he write Superman? Or is it?
OSC is on the board of NOM, a group that actively promotes hate towards a sizable chunk of the population. Their intent is to deny basic civil rights to the LGBTQ community that others have had. It's not the first time this has happened---Minorities have faced this struggle for centuries. This organization uses the First Amendment as a cloak to spew hate and even violence against said community. OSC states that homosexuals should be removed from society. Now, if he only spoke his opinion, well, everyone is entitled to that TO AN EXTENT. Free Speech only guarantees that the USA will not arrest or harm you for speaking. But OSC and his people funnel money to politicians and others to keep their so-called philosophy a reality. This does people HARM. A young man in Pensacola found his home destroyed by anti-gay slurs painted inside and out--slurs which BTW, include swastikas of the Nazi style--s group that NOM receives funds from.
While it is true that we cannot prevent OSC from writing or spewing hate, we can do something positive--and NOT BUY HIS CRAP. And yes, you have the right to buy it. But remember..you can't tell OSC to spend that money on what makes you comfortable--he's going to support NOM and this money supports him. So if you have any friends in the community, you might want to ask them about their experiences with bigotry. Despite what some "intellectuals" here have said, bigotry is not an opinion..it's IGNORANCE. And we don't need to feed that ignorance in our society any more. If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't have one. But don't tell ME that bigotry is an opinion. It wasn't for MLK. it wasn't for Stonewall, and it isn't opinion NOW.

No one is arguing about your right to purchase or not purchase this book. What we are arguing is against the argument that Card should be removed from this which has been advocated. Also, there is call to boycott ALL of DC's books for their gall for hiring Card.

[Allen T]

So what OSC does is less offensive than this piece? That's a strange set of priorities for someone who disagrees with OSC--the man is vile and disgusting and NOM with him.

Wow, did I said more offensive? No. I said I was offended by both.
1. The author states that only those who supports his call from removing Card as the "real" comic book community. Is that or not offensive? Am I not part of the "real" comic book community because I disagree with this form of Censorship?
2. As I said in my first post "Following that Logic", point out by excluding people that disagreed with him he should be treated exactly like he wants people to treat Card
3. As pointed out by Mikael, there is alot to be offended by that post. If you have a right to be offended by Card, don't we have a right to be offended when someone on your side says something offensive, or is it that your side can't say offensive things because all of you are pure as the undriven snow?

[Thorngren]

I think it's really damn stupid of people to be trying to get DC to ban a writer. I've read quite a bit of Card's writing and it's all been top notch awesome! I'd love to read his take on Superman.

Just because you disagree with his views does not mean you should push to have him blocked as a writer. Is his Superman going to be spewing any anti-gay speach? Hell no... DC wouldn't let their poster boy do anything like that, so why bother?

I find it funny that all the people moaning about this would also be mad if a company wouldn't sign on a writer because they did support gay rights. It's the same thing yo. If you think that employment shouldn't matter based on that sorta idea, you can't be mad when it goes against your views. Should all the anti-gay people send a million letters to Marvel or DC or whatever and tell them to axe all their gay writers? Because it's the same thing yo. Just because you disagree with them, that doesn't mean your right.

[glennsim]

I think it's really damn stupid of people to be trying to get DC to ban a writer. I've read quite a bit of Card's writing and it's all been top notch awesome! I'd love to read his take on Superman.

Just because you disagree with his views does not mean you should push to have him blocked as a writer. Is his Superman going to be spewing any anti-gay speach? Hell no... DC wouldn't let their poster boy do anything like that, so why bother?

I find it funny that all the people moaning about this would also be mad if a company wouldn't sign on a writer because they did support gay rights. It's the same thing yo. If you think that employment shouldn't matter based on that sorta idea, you can't be mad when it goes against your views. Should all the anti-gay people send a million letters to Marvel or DC or whatever and tell them to axe all their gay writers? Because it's the same thing yo. Just because you disagree with them, that doesn't mean your right.

Pro-gay and Anti-gay are not just opinions on two sides of a coin. Pro-gay is trying to help people, anti-gay is trying to hurt people. One is objectively better than the other.